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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:40 PM Original message |
Winning so-called "moderates" does NOT necessarily mean "moving right" |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you. |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. "The cause of moderation" |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
53. Yes! |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think the perfect democratic candidate would look like this: |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Scary |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. Kerry WON moderates! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'm talking about a slice right out of the "center" -- by any name |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. i agree. just making sure the facts are out there, |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
47. And it's really frustrating to know that.. |
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cruadin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
6. Very well stated. Sometimes I think that too much energy |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
54. Hi cruadin!! |
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cruadin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 01:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Thanks. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
9. I agree. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. There is nothing wrong with the liberal label. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Demonizing conservative works for me. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. To tell you the truth |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Whether or not we're "liberal", we HAVE to start DEFENDING liberalism |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Not a thing wrong with that |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 12:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Well, hell, if he'd had a better PR department |
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Protagoras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. The center of what spectrum? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. It isn't a war of words, it's a "war" of winning votes |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Lesson one: There are no moderates. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. There are persuadable voters |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
16. I've heard this |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Americans are plenty smart to smell phony? Yet they elect Bush? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I agree. It is NOT about abandoning our core values. |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I agree, but |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You're right. It's about PROMOTING our core values |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. * was and is wrong about |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. We haven't won since 1992 with that system. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. What you're saying is not so different from what I'm saying. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. In 1996 Clinton still won because of his tremdous charm. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I agree Clinton wasn't liberal |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I hate to be disagreeable, but I disagree. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Nothing wrong with disagreement |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. It's issues, issues, issues. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Well, I think our policies ARE what they want |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Good, that is a perfectly legitimate |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. The primaries and the general election are completely different. |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Well, maybe, but |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. That's the Big Question... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. In the primaries the hard core faithful are the voters |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 10:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Clinton was a premier |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
17. In this or any other election, the early choosers will not be swayed. |
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Redleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
19. Good points. |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. So, we lie to them? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Absolutely not. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
25. I disagree completely. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. "Articulate what it means to be a Democrat' |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. The problem isn't what the Dems are saying at the moment, the problem |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The two aren't mutually exclusive |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
30. Yup. LEA-DER-SHIP. nt |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
31. You see I think moderates, by the essence of the definition of moderate |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Well said |
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RinaJ (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Agree |
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