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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:06 PM
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After all the polls and pundits declaring Dean in decline or dead...
...do you guys think that he will get a giant boost if he wins tonights Iowa caucus?

I do.

That's the danger of prematurely declaring someone to the political graveyard. If he pulls through, it's like Clinton in 1992...he becomes the comeback kid.

Then it's off to New Hampshire where he already has a lead heading in.

The Iowa caucus is not like a primary. So polling really means nothing. It's about organization and getting your supporters out to vote.

That's why I think Dean finishes first and Gephardt second. Kerry and Edwards finish third and fourth.

This will be bad news for Kerry after all the attention he has gotten this past weekend.

Anyway, I look forward to watching the results tonight. It will be fun to watch.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:08 PM
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1. They're idiots!
Dr. Dean is far from 'dead', and I can give you 20 million rea$on$ why.:)
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auntpattywatty Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:10 PM
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2. I thought it was $40 million
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:11 PM
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5. He's spent about $20 million of that already.
:)
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:33 PM
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12. Wow! Iowa's a black hole... Would have to be frustrating to Dean if they
don't win after all that...
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:35 PM
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13. He didn't spend it all there. *grin*
He has a 50-state operation up and running, with full-time staff in 27 states already. :)
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:43 PM
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20. Dean will win tonight!...
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:10 PM
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3. Even if he finishes second in Iowa
he'll be OK. The winner of the Iowa caucuses often doesn't win the nomination anyway. N.H. is more important, actually.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:39 PM
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17. And I think that he's learned something in Iowa.
He'll do better in NH- especially being from Vermont.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:11 PM
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4. The "momentum" coverage can give you whiplash
Most of it is total bullshit, so they can create whole movements and epic stories out of utter thin air.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:14 PM
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6. I would think so, but
the media never admits when they are wrong. It would only be a story if they decide to cover the story and I'm not holding my breath. They only thing I'm sure of anymore is that whomever wins the primary is in for an epic shitstorm of negativity from our very own Pravda.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:18 PM
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7. Dean remains the frontrunner
No matter what happens in Iowa. He still leads in NH, in the national polls, and he's got the most loyal base of support coast-to-coast.

But he has lost the air of inevitability, which is for the best. If he winds up with the nomination, the bruising battles in Iowa and yet to come will make him more formidable in the end.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:19 PM
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8. I agree.
Much of his lead was hype, and so is much of this 'decline' stuff. He remains a formidable opponenent, and only a fool wouldn't understand that. :)
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:28 PM
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9. Of course the media will be off
to the SOTU speech in the morning so the winner will be pushed to the side to fluff up the shrub.
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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:54 PM
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10. Dean's not dead
but he is in a bit of a decline. He needs to win big tonight to get back to where he was. I think if the margin is small, the Dean people won't like the way the press spins it.

Gephardt needs to win, he said it, everybody says it. Now, he may not drop out if he's close in this one but his days will probably be numbered.

Kerry and Edwards can finish 1-4 in a close race and be in various degrees of great shape. Edwards can much better afford a distant 4th than Kerry could.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:37 PM
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15. I think a Dean win tonight is a KILLER to at least three of the other
campaigns. It hurts REALLY badly to get your hopes up, and then get them dashed. I used the analogy earlier of losing a 13-inning baseball game...don't know if you watch baseball, but, man, that really takes it out of you. Takes a full week to recover your morale.

Losing Iowa to Dean after this optimism would have a backlash ten times worse.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:57 PM
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11. Definitely....
This coud be the best thing that could happen to Dean....It is much better to run as an underdog and win than run as the favorite and lose. This could make Dean stronger.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:37 PM
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14. Yes - I fully agree.
If Dean wins here tonight, I think he'll have the nomination locked-up by mid-February.

A win tonight bounces him in New Hampshire.
A win in New Hampshire gets him a week of glowing media coverage before Feb 3 (where he leads or ties for first in most of its states already).
With a poll bounce in that week, he could very well sweep Feb 3, which would wrap things up pretty quickly.

That's my theory.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:39 PM
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16. The media has been declaring Kerry dead for months.
Did you notice?

His RECORD came through once people started paying attention. Kerry's RECORD matches his campaign rhetoric and policy positions.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:41 PM
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18. I think we should send each of these pundits
a bottle of BBQ sauce for their crow they'll be having for a midnight snack when Dean wins LOL
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:42 PM
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19. For Dean to even be considered in the "top tier"
is impressive in my opinion. Six months ago nobody even knew who he was.

Kerry has somehow been able to muster a strong finish, and Edwards too. I am so proud that we have great candidates to choose from.

THIS IS DEMOCRACY!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:45 PM
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21. Dean will win tonight. n/t
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