Did Kerry and Edwards drop off the face of the earth?

[revree]

I cannot believe either one has bothered to address all the vote fraud allegations. They seem to be playing their own mysterious role in enabling Bush.

[tjdee]

1. Edwards' wife has breast cancer.

I think he's a tad busy dealing with that. They have two small children. :(

[LSparkle]

2. I don't blame Edwards for disappearing

He's probably supporting Elizabeth. But where the hell is JFK?

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. First day back in the Senate

hinting to a faux news reporter that he might try a Pres. run in '08. Heard that while listening to the Randi Rhodes show. Was reported that he still has 45 millions left over from his campaign and he could use that as seed money for '08 bid.

[Stinky The Clown]

36. How 'bout spending some that (our) bling on

a fucking recount ............ ?

[valis]

44. Kerry cannot run in 2008. Too many people saw his true colors.

he should have AT LEAST given the impression he was fighting...

[TryingToWarnYou]

3. Hopefully.

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[Fleurs du Mal]

13. Simone

[mcscajun]

17. I got the snail mail letter from Kerry...

...thanking me for my support just this week. Same in the e-mail.

Same from Clark -- I supported him first. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Ok, ok lets take this one step at a time

1.- Concession speeches are non binding

2.- Think, or google or look for, Nixon and 1960 and what he did.

This is my advise to you, things are not like they seem... I truly hope you can see that

[revree]

6. One of them should at least send out an email to supporters...

we spent a lot of time, energy and money, and we need to know SOMEBODY is standing for us somewhere...

[leftchick]

8. I am right there with you revree....

I was on my way home just now from carting my boys around and could not help but notice the remnant K/E bumper stickers and yard signs around. It still makes me cry and I thought... WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE??? The "Real Deal" feels more like a RAW Deal to me... :(

[seabeyond]

27. i received a letter "from" kerry

it was a lovely letter. talking of disappointment and the good fight. really was lovely. and not a mention of voter fraud. get em next time

signed kerry

[On the Road]

7. Unfortunately, Yes

They're falling through the void, their arms and legs flailing helplessly, unable to scream in the vaccum.

[Mike Nelson]

9. If Elizabeth Edwards can find time to drop a line...

? (Good Question)

[gardenista]

30. Exactly the point. She is sending a message, because Edwards has been

shut down by Kerry. I don't understand why, but that is what I think is happening.

[zulchzulu]

10. Kerry people are in Ohio...so I'm guessing Kerry is keeping in touch

I can't even imagine how anyone runs for President these days. It is nonstop for two years with a few small breaks. Kerry is probably working with his legal team and getting geared up for the Senate.

I would like to see him on one of the talk shows soon though.

[Stinky The Clown]

37. How do we know his "people" are in Ohio?

[malachi]

11. Let's hope so.

[Warpy]

12. They're probably both exhausted

from that marathon we call political campaigning. Don't forget, Chimp only had two months or so to stay sober and on message. Kerry and Edwards had nearly a year of primaries and then the actual campaign.

Besides, what do you expect them to do, form a government in exile? That would be a good idea only after the level of fraud starts to hit major news media, and we know THAT aint gonna happen.

[leftie96]

14. Maybe Kerry and Edwards really believe they lost

...and are bowing out with dignity for the sake of the country. True patriots.

[NoPasaran]

15. I got a letter from Kerry the other day

Asking for money as usual. Hey! Do I look like a bank?

[Booster]

35. Why the Hell would be be asking for money when he has

45 million left over? I'm not donating a dime to anything anymore, except maybe puppies and kittens, but that's it. I'm tapped out on humans.

[ohioan]

41. Edwards raised a total of $33 million for his entire campaign . . .

So, he'd probably be pretty surprised to know that he's supposed to have $45 million left over.

According to his FEC report, Edwards has about $62,000 cash on handand $123,000 in debt.

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_04+P40002347

[Booster]

45. They said Kerry had 45 million, not Edwards. The poster

said Kerry had asked him for money, not Edwards.

[ohioan]

46. Sorry - I misunderstood the post.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. You sure know how to draw out the trolls.

BTW: Elizabeth Edwards and Chris Heinz both posted messages on DU last week. I guess you didn't notice?

[Shrek]

18. A guy from the Kerry/Edwards campaign was on NPR this morning

"People have spoken in Ohio. We don't expect to find any voter fraud; we're not looking for any voter fraud; we're not looking for any hidden ballots. There were many problems throughout election day and there have been some since election day but where we've found them I think we've pretty much solved them. Obviously our eyes are wide open."

Link to NPR audio

[Blue Shark]

24. If they are not LOOKING for 'em...

...they may not find 'em. And the signs of fraud are everywhere!

[newyawker99]

48. Hi Blue Shark!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[AmerDem]

19. I'm very disappointed in both

It's beyond weak for us to hear nothing from either one of these two candidates. What ever happened to the promises that we were given through out the year to protect the election from fraud?

I guess the money we gave and the endless support is now looked at with a passing glance. I expected much much more from these two and look at both of them as contributing factors in our nation being taken over by the nutjob right.

[TrustingDog]

23. I'll give them a bit more time...

maybe they'll sitting on something and waiting for the right timing... maybe. or as someone said, just taking a rest - that campaigning has got to be excruciatingly exhausting.

but if this silence continues for weeks longer, I will be as disgusted with them as with the bush crew. well, not quite, but up there.

[AmerDem]

29. oh please

They are sitting on nothing. They are quiet until they feel it politically expedient to start speaking. We as a party are in need of a major overhaul of fresh, eager, strong and brazen people to speak out not when it's in their best interest but to speak out non stop. We as a party don't exist. There is no doubt in my mind the only way we are going to save ourselves is to rise, march, attack our current leadership, the media and speak out relentlessly about what the fuck is going on.

[ohioan]

42. So, when will you announce your candidacy?

[Blue Shark]

20. No Shows

"Reporting for Duty" turned into "Howdy Duty" pretty damn fast

[GRLMGC]

22. Well

Edwards has other things to worry about. Kerry is in a shitty position where he can't please anyone. If there is CONCRETE proof that there is voter, of course he'll say something. By concrete I mean not easily dismissed. (Yes, I'm prepared to be flamed)

[LittleClarkie]

25. As in not circumstantial

I knew what you meant by concrete.

And we're expecting the media to be all over Kerry why?

They didn't cover him properly as a candidate, why would we expect to see news of him after the election.

Shitty position indeed. The Rodney Dangerfield of politics.

[GRLMGC]

31. I didn't mean to sound condescending

its just that people sometimes tend to jump on you if you say something that is unpopular so I felt the need to really clarify what I meant.

[LittleClarkie]

40. You weren't condescending

I didn't mean to make my response sound like it was completely directed at you.

I was partly responding to the original poster. I meant to say that even if Kerry was saying something, we wouldn't hear, because we're surrounded by Peterson and war news, and the media didn't even cover him properly as a candidate. I plan to keep an eye on Congressional Digest and other such outlets to see what Sen. Kerry is up to. I will post whatever I find in the months ahead.

[Boswells_Johnson]

26. Maybe he's waiting for the right moment...

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/politics/3924330/detail.html

Wu said the senator clearly threw the doors wide open to another presidential run.

"You know they haven't finished counting the votes in Ohio yet, and so it is way to early to start talking about another race. But I will tell you this -- I'm far from finished fighting. I'm passionate about these issues. As I say, 50,000 votes and we'd be in a different place with a different conversation.

[newyawker99]

49. Hi Boswells_Johnson!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[EnfantTerrible]

51. This may interest you

I just recieved this in my e-mail:
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This Election is Not Over -- With Exciting New Math Calculations!
by jsmdlawyer
Sun Nov 14th, 2004 at 11:49:40 PST

Since 11/2, there have been various stages of dealing with what happened.  Anger, denial, claims of fraud, etc., etc.  Blaming Kerry for "quitting."  More recently, talk has shifted to procedural issues like how to fix the voting system (didn't we DO this four years ago?  Apparently not.)

What has become clear to me, reading between the lines and ignoring a lot of shit (sorry) is that THIS ELECTION IS NOT OVER.  Floating around in various threads is the notion that several states are still counting votes (Ohio and New Mexico principally, but also Iowa and Nevada).

Diaries :: jsmdlawyer's diary ::

I made a comment here this morning about the 155,000 provisional ballots in Ohio, and the critical importance of the requested recount, so as to get to the 93,000 undervotes.


Folks, it's not over.  I don't think the Kerry folks think it's over either.  If I'm right, and if it comes out the way I think it might, it will be the greatest stealth campaign in the history of the world, quite frankly.

Let's pull it together.  Right now, it's 286-252 in favor of Bush.  Ohio has not even begun to count the provisional ballots.  There are 155,000 or so.  Ohio has a history of provisional ballots, based on state law.  In 2000, 90% of the ballots counted, and of those I understand that 90% were for Gore.  Applying that standard to the 155,000 would give Kerry 125,550 additional votes, and Bush 13,950.  That would narrow the margin from 132,000 (the 136,000 figure includes the now-infamous Gahanna 4,000 vote error in Franklin County) down to about 24,600.  Originally, this was why Kerry conceded; he just couldn't get it done on the provisional ballots alone.

Ahh, but now there's a new development.  A recount (or an "audit," as one diary called it).  Fine.  Whatever, call it what you want.  But Kerry couldn't ask for it, because he'd be called a sore loser, Al Gore with a Brahmin accent.  The lawyers are there, they're sniffing around, they're ready to deal with the shenanigans.  But (here's the great part) it's not Kerry's recount.  The media is treating the Cobb/Badnarik recount request as a joke, but it's not.  If the recount is held, the first thing elections officials have to do is dust off the 93,000 undervotes on punch cards (dear God, not again).  And yes, Ohio has a uniform state standard:  0 or 1 corners attached, vote counts.  2 or 3, no dice.  So the recount won't be shut down -- and Blackwell can't change the rules.  God, I love Bush v. Gore (never thought I'd write those words).

Again, look at the history.  Traditionally, 90% count, and the split is about 4-1 for Democrats -- undervotes are almost exclusively from poor and/or minority areas.  Take 93,000, 90% is 83,700.  80% of that is 66,960 for Kerry, with 16,740 for Bush.  That 24,600 vote Bush lead after the provisionals now goes to  . . . . fanfare, please . . . . ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 44th President of the United States, John Kerry, by a 25,660 vote margin in Ohio.

Now the margins could change, most likely on the undervotes.  Let's say Kerry only gets 70%, rather than 80, of the undervotes.  He still wins, this time by about 9,000 votes.

Obviously, it would help if we could turn around New Mexico, Iowa and/or Nevada as well, to create a cushion for legal challenges and to create more legitimacy to this process.

MORE at    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/14/144941/51

[Stinky The Clown]

38. Why is his position shitty such that he can't talk?

What's gunna happen? He might piss off a voter for his '08 run?

[GRLMGC]

39. He'll get attacked viciously

He'll get discredited. Most people don't realize that there may have been voter fraud. They're too preoccupied w/ other matters to pay attention. However, if he doesn't talk people who do think there was voter fraud will get pissed off and try their hardest to destroy him too. It's a no-win situation. Now if there's indesputable proof then he should take the opportunity to be very vocal about it.

[ohioan]

43. There's nothing for him to talk about right now . . .

The votes have not yet been counted - the process is ongoing. It would be stupid for him to start bitching about the vote count before it's even completed.

His lawyers are in the key states, quietly working with local Democrats and watching the counting very closely. Just because you're not hearing a lot of chest-thumping right now doesn't mean that they're not doing exactly what they're supposed to do.

[luckypunch]

28. Senator Kerry was on the local (Boston) news tonight

He gave some interviews to local news stations. The bit I saw was a short interview on the 6 o'clock news, the longer version will be on at 11:00. He was asked if he would run again in 2008, and answered "the votes in Ohio haven't even been counted yet" Guess you could take that a few ways.

[mtnsnake]

32. Why should he address voter fraud when he barely addressed the SBV's?

[LittleClarkie]

33. I wouldn't blamed him if he didn't want to dignify them with an answer

or give them legitimacy by paying attention to them. But it was mostly bad advice from Cahill.

The dude just needs a better PR department, that's all.

[Guaranteed]

34. No, it sounds like Kerry is behind the scenes making sure that

Dean doesn't get the DNC chair. Well, at least he's doing that!


..............

I swear to fucking God. These idiots.

[ohioan]

47. Poor Howard - EVERYBODY's out to get him. Even Kerry is now

devoting all of his time and effort to undermining Dr. Dean.

Please.

[ventvon]

50. On the Today Show

That's where John and Elizabeth Edwards were this morning.

On Access Hollywood. That's where they were last night.

In Washington, DC, back at the Senate.

That's where Kerry returned yesterday.