93,136 extra votes in Cuyahoga County Ohio alone???

[whirlygigspin]

In last Tuesday's election, 29 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, reported votes cast IN EXCESS of the number of registered voters - at least 93,136 extra votes total. And the numbers are right there on the official Cuyahoga County Board of Elections website:

Bay Village - 13,710 registered voters / 18,663 ballots cast
Beachwood - 9,943 registered voters / 13,939 ballots cast
Bedford - 9,942 registered voters / 14,465 ballots cast
Bedford Heights - 8,142 registered voters / 13,512 ballots cast
Brooklyn - 8,016 registered voters / 12,303 ballots cast
Brooklyn Heights - 1,144 registered voters / 1,869 ballots cast
Chagrin Falls Village - 3,557 registered voters / 4,860 ballots cast
Cuyahoga Heights - 570 registered voters / 1,382 ballots cast
Fairview Park - 13,342 registered voters / 18,472 ballots cast
Highland Hills Village - 760 registered voters / 8,822 ballots cast
Independence - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Mayfield Village - 2,764 registered voters / 3,145 ballots cast
Middleburg Heights - 12,173 registered voters / 14,854 ballots cast
Moreland Hills Village - 2,990 registered voters / 4,616 ballots cast
North Olmstead - 25,794 registered voters / 25,887 ballots cast
Olmstead Falls - 6,538 registered voters / 7,328 ballots cast
Pepper Pike - 5,131 registered voters / 6,479 ballots cast
Rocky River - 16,600 registered voters / 20,070 ballots cast
Solon (WD6) - 2,292 registered voters / 4,300 ballots cast
South Euclid - 16,902 registered voters / 16,917 ballots cast
Strongsville (WD3) - 7,806 registered voters / 12,108 ballots cast
University Heights - 10,072 registered voters / 11,982 ballots cast
Valley View Village - 1,787 registered voters / 3,409 ballots cast
Warrensville Heights - 10,562 registered voters / 15,039 ballots cast
Woodmere Village - 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast
Bedford (CSD) - 22,777 registered voters / 27,856 ballots cast
Independence (LSD) - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Orange (CSD) - 11,640 registered voters / 22,931 ballots cast
Warrensville (CSD) - 12,218 registered voters / 15,822 ballots cast

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[RebelYell]

2. My mom is heavily involved with the Dems in Ohio

She said Bush got more votes in Ohio than the entire population of Ohio. I haven't been able to confirm it, but my Mom doesn't say things like that unless she has a reliable source.

[TimeToGo]

10. Well . . .

CNN shows Bush received 2,796,147 while Kerry received 2,659,664.

So I don't think he received more votes than there are people in Ohio.

But, the question is -- did he get more votes than he got??

[floridadem30]

3. great work

[AP]

4. Cuyahoga Cty was 2or 3:1 Kerry:Bush. I hope those votes were real.

If they aren't, then kerry's going to have another 60K votes he needs to find to win.

[ohioan]

12. If only - but this isn't what it appears to be . . .

Cuyahoga County shows its absentee ballots in a strange way. When a Congressional district straddles two precincts, for the purpose of the initial canvass, they apply all of the absentee votes from that district to the precincts within one county, rather than spreading them out. But when you total the ballots for each precinct, rather than the entire city, the numbers add up consistent with registered voters and there are not 93,000 additional votes. For example, although the one report shows 13,000+ votes in Beachwood, which has 9,943 registered voters, the actual canvass report, ward-by-ward, shows a total of 5,386 votes cast in Beachwood.

0201 BEACHWOOD A 413
0202 BEACHWOOD B 410
0203 BEACHWOOD C 300
0204 BEACHWOOD D 399
0205 BEACHWOOD E 121
0206 BEACHWOOD F 375
0207 BEACHWOOD G 351
0208 BEACHWOOD H 439
0209 BEACHWOOD I 333
0210 BEACHWOOD J 277
0211 BEACHWOOD K 417
0212 BEACHWOOD L 246
0213 BEACHWOOD M 498
0214 BEACHWOOD N 312
0215 BEACHWOOD O 495
BEACHWOOD CITY 5386

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/history/2004/EL52.txt

There's no there there on this one.

[aquart]

17. Then maybe Cuyahoga ought to reform its method. And apologize.

Because it doesn't help transparency or citizen understanding. It makes a nasty mess.

[ohioan]

20. It's a screwy system -

but they do explain it on their website and the numbers are laid out very clearly in the full canvassing report that's available. It's probably never been a problem in the past because most people haven't been scrutinizing things so carefully before the official count has been completed and those who have likely knew to read all of the numbers in the canvassing report rather than jumping to conclusions based upon looking at one portion of it.

[asthmaticeog]

26. LMFAO

Since I live in Cuyahoga County, I'll apologize.

On behalf of the almost entirely Democratic county of Cuyahoga, I apologize to the amateur sleuths at DU in denial of the fact that Bush is going to be re-inaugurated, for, among other things, the way their shorts wad up when they're confronted with BOE numbers they don't know how to fucking read. In the future, we will try to be more respectful to DUers' shorts. Since Ken Blackwell, the overbearingly partisan Republican who will by law be in charge of any recounts that may or may not occur, is NOT from Cuyahoga County, please understand that Cuyahoga County will not be responsible for any future shorts-waddage that he may generate - indeed, he wads our shorts pretty badly, too.

[Bush was AWOL]

31. I think it was actually about 4:1 Kerry

This is the probably one of the bluest counties in the entire country.

The thing that blows my mind is how much better Kerry did than Gore in Cuyahoga and Franklin county, and somehow still trailed Bush by 130,000 votes.

[AP]

33. White women in the suburbs jumped ship while people in cities stayed blue.

[ohioan]

37. Bush ginned up his base in the Republican areas and got out his vote

[floridadem30]

5. How much does Ohio need to complete recount?

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

6. Do you belong to one of them there focus groups or something?

Woodmere Village - 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast

And exactly what is the problem here?

[ogradda]

7. i'm sure that there's a reasonable explanation

fraud, theft, etc.

[L84TEA]

8. hmm...maybe they learned to count

in da' south?

1-2 ...SKIP a few... 99, 100

[mike_c]

9. request for clarifiation....

1) Is this information reliable? Is if possible that someone is simply asleep at the switch and posted bogus info? Or is it possible that the reported number of ballots cast is based on a systematically flawed reporting mechanism, rather than an actual ballot count? Or might the number of registered voters be based upon outdated data?

2) Assuming the information is reliable, is there any explanation OTHER than election fraud?

I ask because on the face of it this information appears utterly damning. However, I don't want to go off half cocked without a complete explanation. Unless this represents erroneous reporting, how else could the ballot total exceed the number of registered voters in each precinct?

[floridadem30]

11. I have been finding the same thing on florida

bbv has at least 10 counties this occurred in

[boi1946]

14. one article I read

said that Florida added absentee votes to the totals. But what I couldn't understand was why they did not consider absentee voters in their "registered voter" count. Sounded fishy to me...
My first post!!!

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

15. My first "welcome to DU"

stay awhile - you'll enjoy it here...

[floridadem30]

16. Yes considering a lot of us voted absentee due to the 3 hurricanes

[aquart]

19. And a highly intelligent post it is. (Since it's exactly what I think.)

Welcome to DU!

[floridadem30]

21. And what about provisional ballots going from 0 to several thousand in fl?

On election night in Florida the dept of states web page showed a little over 10,000 provisional ballots and now I have seen posts showing several thousand in counties like palm beach that were supposed to have zero. That county had attorneys involved.

[aquart]

34. I haven't a clue what's happening with provisionals.

It's like trying to watch the pea under the shell.

[newyawker99]

38. Hi boi1946!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ResistTheCoup]

18. Here's the county's official Board of Election page

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm#Ballots

You can check the registered voters at the top and then the ballots cast right below. I haven't checked each one but it seems to match up to the numbers in the top of this post.

[ohioan]

23. Look at the entire canvassing report and read the County's explanation

for how they tabulate votes. You will see that there is no mystery here and no 93,000 extra votes. They just categorize them differently in the top portion of the report, but if you look at the actual numbers, you will see that there's nothing suspicious.

This issue was raised nearly two weeks ago and addressed immediately. That's why the Democrats in Ohio haven't made a big deal of it - it doesn't mean anything.

[mike_c]

27. actually, it was the county's BOE post that I was referring to...

...not the DU post, which I assumed was a faithful copy. Sorry for the confusion.

on edit: now I've seen ohioan's explanation-- that's why I asked the question to begin with. It appears that the tallying system is arcane, but not fraudulent.

[The Straight Story]

13. Links for these results other than conspiracy planet?

I went to their site, but they have no link either
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=31&contentid=1649

[whirlygigspin]

24. There's no there there

thanks Ohioan, good job, screwy system.

[Awsi Dooger]

28. It is a screwy system, and fooled me also

When I looked at Ohio last week. I had to keep clicking around and reading until the precincts/wards/municipalities stuff started making sense. Probably the most confusing electoral results website I've ever seen.

A DUer with user name WC Green is a veteran of Cuyahoga politics and posted the best thread on this topic, about a week ago. It is in this forum and perhaps not yet in the archives. Titled something like, "Sorry, but no fraud in Cuyahoga County."

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[ohioan]

25. Kerry's not saying anything because there's no problem

Please read the entire canvassing report - you will see that this discrepency is simply the result of the way Cuyahoga County categorizes its votes at the top of the report. But the numbers actually add up.

We've got to be careful not to jump to conclusions without first getting all of the facts. This has been raised and addressed nearly two weeks ago. Don't you think that if there were 93,000 unaccounted votes in Ohio, Kerry and the grassroots Ohio Democrats who are combing through every vote would have been screaming about it? There's a reason they're not - because there's no problem with these votes.

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[Eloriel]

39. What can we do? See these threads

under Activism:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223

One of the BIGGEST things you can do is donate to Help America Recount:

www.helpamericarecount.org

Founded by DU's own hedda-Foil (with others), specifically to fund recounts EVERYWHERE they can afford to. Hedda is also co-founder of the National Ballot Integrity Project:

www.ballotintegrity.org/

You can also help right here at DU, by signing up here:

SIGN UP HERE: Join VOTE FRAUD WORK (write, organize, research, kick) Team
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=3830&mesg_id=3830

[Contrary1]

30. According to the webpage...

Last Update: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 ----- 2:12:48 AM

I would think if it was an error or proof of fraud, it would have been changed by now.

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

32. 6.9 Million 18+ in Ohio in 2000/ 7.1M in 07/2003

here is the census report from the census page:

http://www.census.gov/popest/states/asrh/tables/SC-EST2003-02/SC-EST2003-02-39.xls

[Contrary1]

35. If you count the over 65 yrs.

the total is 8,620,509

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

36. Thanks for the correction eom