The Arnold Amendment smokescreen

[zbdent]

I sent this in to Ed Schultz, didn't have time to listen to see if it was mentioned before I left work. (I listen on KPOJ's internet broadcast).

The Arnold amendment is a smokescreen. Yes, they might get it passed to allow "furners" to become President. But this is not the key to the whole situation.

I figured it out.

Just like the Repukes used Arnold to get rid of Gray Davis (and then put in AS, who, aside from blaming the dems, is doing pretty much the same thing as GD, except that he campaigns for Bush), they are going to use him to eliminate the 22nd amendment, which limits the terms of President and VP to two.

This is how the Repukes (who, by the way, pushed this because FDR managed to win 4 terms in a row) are planning to get around the Constitutional roadblock to their "y'all can't change horses in midstream" argument on the never-ending war.

Arnold is used to push the idea that "he can become President", but the ignorant public will not look past the first sentence. They will miss the ramifications that will limit the damage (somewhat) that Bush can do to this country. The Repukes will also say something to the effect of "Well, Bill Clinton can run again, so it's a good thing for you LIEberals." Bullcocky.

Shall I get the tinfoil?

[Nag Champa]

1. Do you have a link to the text of the amend.?

[zbdent]

9. No, but I can see Arnold being the impetus for "constitutional change"

where abortion might just not be enough . . .

[nickinSTL]

16. Here's the text of the 22nd Amendment - not sure of the connection to

the Schwarzenegger question:

Amendment XXII - Presidential term limits. Ratified 2/27/1951. History

1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

[Nikepallas]

2. I was thinking the same thing too! I thought I was nuts but I'll get

2 hats. one for me and one for you :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[Maiden England]

3. You can share mine

I saw some Repub spokespratt on a Sunday talkshow back in the summer actually bring up the idea of getting rid of the 22nd amendment as a muttered addendum to the Ahnuld Amendment, now I wasn't really paying attention, and as a Brit honestly wouldn't have known the 22nd amendment from my 2nd toe at the time, consequently I can't remember which show it was, nor which repuke. But I do remember hearing it.

[tanyev]

4. Didn't the Republicans give us

that amendment in their horror and outrage over FDR getting elected for 4 terms? Not that I'm disagreeing with you, just pointing out the hypocrisy it would entail. Although they don't seem to be worrying too much about hypocrisy lately.

:tinfoilhat:

[zbdent]

10. I mentioned that

and yes, the hypocrisy would be screaming, but these are the hypocrites who put their fingers in their ears and sing "la la la la la la I can't hear you la la la la"

[rinsd]

5. I'm not sure what you are saying.....

Are you saying the bill has language that would change the 22nd Amendment?

Or that this is a pretext for several amendments changes?

Or is this if the amendment passed and Arnold became President they would use his popularity to get rid of the 22nd amendment?

[atreides1]

6. That Would Mean

That they would have to over turn two amendments, not one. Getting one removed is hard enough, much less two.

Until the Repukes have total control of the US Congress, this won't be as easy as you think.

[zbdent]

11. Oh, really? And we thought that a bunch of idiots would see past

the stupidity of pushing Arnold for Governor of CA. Silly me.

And, of course, electronic voting is working out fine for democracy. Silly me.

[ThoughtCriminal]

7. I can scare them off repealing term limits with two words:

Bill Clinton

[snippy]

8. Clinton would crush Bush with or without BBV. n/t

[PATRICK]

21. Checking the numbers and the current media

if unchecked for four years I will bet the house Clinton(either or both) cannot possibly win.

The only messiahs one can possibly raise against the GOP under the system are the crucifiable variety. Only grassroots opposition can rip that system to shreds.

[snippy]

23. Even Bush might vote for Clinton. Laura and the twins probably would. nt

[zbdent]

12. And they'll answer right back

Ronald Reagan.

(Actually nullifying their argument, but they'll persuade enough people to vote just for the gimmick of having a Hollywood star as president; and a bigger one than the "Bedtime for Bonzo" second banana).

[ThoughtCriminal]

13. 22nd Amendment or not

I am reasonably certain that being alive is a requirement.

[zbdent]

14. not so sure about that

. . .

[ThoughtCriminal]

15. Ok, but if they run Reagan again

We can run FDR/Truman

[CanonRay]

17. Strict Constructionists?

I thought the Repugs were supposed to be "strict constructionist". By my count, so far, they want to change the constitution for 1) ban abortion, 2) ban gay marriage, and 3) get Arnold elected.

[Lerkfish]

19. silly...don't you know even THEY don't believe anything they say?

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[Mugsy]

20. If they get Arnold, I want Albright.

If the neocons, who want to run the Constitution through MS Word every time they run into a Constitutional roadblock to their agenda, manages to change it so that foreign-born American citizens can run for President, I'm going to throw all of my efforts behind "Madeline Albright for President in 2008". :)

[2nd_class_citizen]

22. I'm with you!

I love Madeline Albright and I think she'd make a great president.

[TheCentepedeShoes]

24. Was thinking the other day

that the point of repealing the "native born" part of Art II (under the pretext of allowing the "popular" Arnold to run for Pres) would be to allow some other foreigner to run. Who could the repugs be thinking of if that were the case?