Why is everyone so afraid of the F-word

[newsguyatl]

fraud -- as in VOTER fraud.

so many (even here) are already dismissing claims the election may have been stolen again, as conspiracy theory, or otherwise "loonie."

you'd expect this kind of thing with the mainstream press, as we're already seeing. but even here, we're seeing it. and it's perplexing.

it's pretty obvious to me, that if you were to read thru the material that's bubbling to the surface about nov. 2, you'd be hard pressed NOT to be at the very least skeptical.

just today for example, a professor at the univ. of penn says there's a 250 million to one odds for the exit poll statistical anomalies in fl, oh and pa. http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04090.html

seems to me, when those of you so easily dismiss these claims as tin foilish, you're under the belief our government and/or the bush administration would never do something like this, that our democracy is above such treachery.

but just remember, we live in bush world.

anything you thought impossible, has now reached the realm of probable.

[demwing]

1. If we refuse to accept that it COULD happen

we increase the possiblity that it will happen.

[Fifth of Five]

11. ding, ding, ding

Exactly right!

[Eloriel]

2. Excellent post

Hi, newsguy -- have you seen this? You may want to bookmark it:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

[alittlelark]

3. I have been pooh-poohed (and flamed) here multiple times

But I have NO PROBLEM saying FRAUD.... and I will not let up unless PROVEN otherwise (like that's gonna happen.....).

[SmokingJacket]

4. "Conspiracy Theorist" must be the ultimate insult in Medialand.

Most mainstream journalists haven't touched this -- even to say, Maybe this is worth looking into! -- nor have more than a few major bloggers. It's nutty.

With this new, hubristic, mandated B** administration, people must be nervous about which way the wind is blowing, and want to make sure they don't piss off their bosses or the masses. Look out for Numero Uno!

IMHO, if fraud is possible, it'll happen. There's just too much at stake. The only question is who will do it, and how much.

If you're camping at Glacier Park and leave a cooler full of tasty meat outside your tent, bears will eat it.

[gordianot]

5. MIHOP and LIHOP are standard operating procedures.

I had a Jesuit (No I am not Catholic) explain to me that all people have free will. The church does not accept the idea that life is a series of accidental events but according to Gods plan. We as people do not understand Gods plan. People are the instrument by which events God acts, yet people are given free will. He then said something that has stayed with me ever since. Journalist prefer the view that events are circumstantial happenings outside the control of the individual and God. It is easier to be a Journalist and a fatalist.

Reporting news as a random events is a lot easier than trying to find a cause. You eliminate the idea of a conspiracy you eliminate the need to explain an event as anything other than a random event.

Make and let it happen, happens all the time. Several people make it happen and they talked about it that is a conspiracy.

I'm not sure but I think this Jesuit would not take to the idea "Shit Happens".

Sorry I mentioned religion it just worked into my post.

[merh]

14. Liberal is the ultimate insult, then conspiracy theorist. eom

[LowerManhattanite]

6. I absolutely feel in my heart of hearts...

..that in a few short years, an enterprising journalist (or Seymour Hersh if they don't have him killed first) is going to publish an earth-shattering book that will lay out the very direct voter fraud that I feel took place in this election and the tales will become as legendary as the infamous Chicago/Kennedy/1960 tales.

I honestly believe this. I also believe that it will be brushed aside as the Kennedy stuff was as "just politics" by the nattering class lest they open up a humongous can of worms.

[Carni]

7. 2000 election/ Enron /911 /Iraq and on and on and on ALL LIES

I'm not afraid of saying fraud and I am not afraid of saying the only way this unpopular, inept, little man, with a 47% approval rating, "WON" this election, as well as the popular vote is because...

HE FUCKING CHEATED.

[laylah]

21. Those bastards

and their ilk know no other way than to CHEAT. They couldn't win honestly so wtf do they care? I am continuously appalled at the fact that "they" don't care HOW they won, just that they did. Little do they understand we ALL lost. Bastards! Thieving, rotten, lying bastards. My only consolation is that I know they WILL get theirs. It can be referred to as "you reap what you sow" OR "karma's a bitch", either way, they WILL get theirs. :mad:

Jenn

[leesa]

8. I have no doubt a coordinated fraud effort was committed by the GOP

The problem is that it can't be proved in court...no paper ballots. I applaud each and every effort to expose the crime, however.

[glitch]

15. I believe they overstepped and also committed fraud with the optiscans

they probably had to what with the massive dem turnout. This is where we'll most easily prove the fraud, assuming we make the attempt.

[leftchick]

9. FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD!!!!

If these "anomalies" had happened in a bush* loss oh what a difference in the media coverage! :grr:

[Beetwasher]

10. Yes, That Research Paper Pretty Much Says It All

That guy is a U of P professor who got his Ph.D. from MIT. Hardly a conspiracy nut...

[nostamj]

12. "It's OK to Say the 'F' Word!"

soon to be available at blackboxvoting.ORG

[trevize1138]

13. Summs up Bush's strengths in a nutshell ...

We don't WANT to believe it's that bad. Just like after 9/11 we all wanted to feel like we were total victums, even though the actions of our government in the past throughout the world meant we were, to a degree, asking for it. Most won't accept that because we want to believe we're the GOOD guys. Most of us know we've done some pretty evil things in the past, but we're willing to overlook that due to the Ws v. Them attitude. Just human nature, really.

And, so it goes with the election: even though we all here are pretty well in agreement that Bush=Satan, we still have that natural, mental block from fully believing that it's as bad as that. Our fault is in our faith. :)

[ibegurpard]

16. People don't WANT to believe it

Even those who don't support the right-wing radicals don't want to believe it because the implications are staggering and terrifying. They'll move Heaven and Earth to rationalize any other explanation.

[Beetwasher]

17. Correct, It's Deep, Deep Denial

It means the Dems may never win another election, if true. Therefore they want to cling to the belief that it just can't be true so they can still have some hope that the country really is not turning into a fascist dictatorship. Personally, I'd rather know than not know and have my eyes wide open. But that's just me.

[ArkDem]

18. I'm skeptical of the Pennsylvania professor's ability to

calculate odds.

[tommcintyre]

19. Take action! read in

http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud_things_you_can_do.htm

[ibegurpard]

20. Ask your employer

They're the ones busily spreading the word that all is well.

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