Fighting words for Dems from the Bull Moose

[Teaser]

Some of you won't like the Bull Moose's dismissal of the Diebold factor. Since the Diebold factor only accounts for at most a measly few thousand (and probably quite a bit less) misvotes in a 3 million vote loss, you can guess that I more or less agree with his dismissal. There are plenty of Diebold threads, go there. This is for people who want perspective.

How many of us have wanted to be revolutionaries at some point? Well folks, now we can be. And it will be fun.

If the Moose hears one more kvetch about Diebold voting machines he is going to flip his antlers.

The donkey needs an intervention. You lost, move on. Enough of the navel gazing introspection! It is time to retool and take on the opposition. Trust the Moose, it will be fun. The Elephant is the establishment - the donkey is the insurgent revolutionary. We must go up into the mountains and only enter the Capital City to make some mischief.

The Democrats must become the anti-Washington Party. For instance, the donkey must join with John McCain and even Senator-elect Coburn (that is not a typo) and oppose pork barrel spending and corporate welfare. Democrats must become the party of fiscal restraint and make the G.O.P. the spendthrift big government types.

The Ragin Cajun is apparently on the same wave length as the Moose. Here is what today's Washington Times reports,

Mr. Carville, who had just returned from a vacation at Disney World with his family and wife, Republican strategist Mary Matalin, at times seemed unable to put into words just how much of a hill Democrats have to climb. He said he is considering writing a book about what direction Democrats should go. One possibility, he said, was to embrace a reform-oriented, anti-Washington agenda. That would require the ability of members of Congress to reject pork projects for their districts and stake the party's fortunes on fiscal discipline.

Meanwhile, the strength of the Democrats lies out in the countryside. Showcase your Governors and highlight their ideas for governing

http://www.bullmooseblog.com

[shrub chipper]

1. I read this already!

Could not agree more!

Let's move on!

[madfloridian]

2. We moved on in 2000. We moved on in 2002.

So let's move on again? Keep moving on? And take a hard right. We lost congress in 2002, and we just lost more of them plus the presidency.

NOW the GOP we just learned concentrated on the rural areas. Since we are not enough like them....let's us do that also.

Why can't our side use our imaginations and try our own tactics, not theirs.

[Teaser]

3. Read for content.

What are you talking about?

If you want to pontificate about a completely off topic point, please post your own thread. Your reply has no significance here and no relevance.

The Bull Moose is simply encouraging Democrats to learn to relish being the opposition. Because of your own blinkers, you failed to see that.

Take the blinkers off and read for content.

on Edit: I apologize if this sounds harsh to you, but I'm getting annoyed at people not reading posts but simply projecting their ideology onto the post. There is nothing in this post of the Bull Moose that is anti-progressive. Nothing. Not even fiscal restraing. Good Government (including fiscal restraint) is a progressive value. It helps keep our important programs solvent.

[madfloridian]

4. I am aware of Wittmann. I am aware of voting problems.

I would rather see Wittmann with DLC than with the Christian Coalition where he used to be. However, I do not agree with a lot of what he says at the blog or at ndol.

BTW, I did read, and I had read the New Donkey, and I read the ndol. I consider the DLC what is wrong with the party right now. I suspect they are urging us to play nice about the voting and not investigate.

See, we have to investigate to preserve our democracy. Even if Bush still won, there is enough to call for the party to take a stand about Diebold's arrogant attitude.

I am also aware of his insults to Deaniacs, and since I am quite intelligent and totally sane....I rather resent it. This is the most my husband and I have ever been involved in politics, and we are avidly so.

So Wittmann leaves a sour taste, though I am glad he is with us rather than with Ralph Reed. He is too right leaning for me, but it is better than the Christian Coalition.

I appreciate your apology, sort of. I did read it, and I understood. He said forget Diebold, now let's become more moral.

[radfringe]

6. I've "moved on" enough

4 more years of ex-lax and there won't be anything left to "move-on" :evilgrin:

screw-moving on -- time to stand up -- NO SURRENDER!


http://www.cafepress.com/radicalfringe

[Citizen Kang]

5. There is nothing to move on too.

We are a permanent minority party and because we do nothing while votes are made up by some blackbox machine, we will always be a minority party. So come up with some new message, keep being Republican Lite and keep moving on, because you will never win another "election" in this country again.

[TheDalaiMama]

7. Win or lose....these voting machines are a national disgrace....citizens,

no matter what party affiliation, should rise up and demand an end to these machines.

I am no computer expert and understand how easy it would be to spread a win for shrub across a state and give him enough of a win margin to not generate a recount. The fix was in....has been since 2000, and if we don't face this...we will continue to lose.

Rove knew he needed to give shrub the popular vote and the electoral vote...so that we could never say what a loser he was like his poppy....that was mentioned every day since 2000. Mission accomplished!