Golly!..Whatever shall we do....?

[mopaul]

acriMOnious rant.

i hate this, 'well, let's pick ourselves up and resume life' bullshit. and also this 'goodness, what can we democrats do now?' crap.

we all know exactly what it is we must do, but we don't have the spines to do it. if i mention what we have to do, no one wants to hear it. if what we really have to do is revealed, no one wants to see it.

i don't even have to say what it is we have to do, we all already know. why won't we do it? that's the question.

[mparker]

1. Do what?

What do you suggest? Anarchy? We need a long-term solution. I'm furious just as you are, but this campaign must be scrutinized to make the next one stronger.

[mopaul]

2. that which must not be mentioned...........

what indeed

[American Tragedy]

5. That isn't going to work and you know it

It would undoubtedly fail, and it would only brand the entire progressive movement as violent radicals, which isn't exactly the best way to win over the electorate. They're the fuckin radicals, not us, and we need to figure out how to demonstrate that.

[blondeatlast]

8. Precisely--they are the radicals, not us.

We can acheive some degree of influence by being proactive now.

The Supreme Court, for instance. A nomination is imminent, we can be fairly sure of that. Let's figure out some likely possibilities and work on them NOW; gathering the dirt, going to the press, arming the Dems with what we know.

[liberal N proud]

36. What electorate. There is no electorate any more

You were curshed on Tuesday and it is time to rise up from the ashes of the election and take back our country.
The neo-cons hijacked the conservatives and now the country. When will enough be enough?
How many young people will it take to die in the middle east for their oil before we rise up and stop them?

[Sterling]

24. Is it really that bad now, is this now a faith based board?

Is the Dem party turning Fundie? If not people better face this issue head on or we are fucked fucked fucked.

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. I see

well, not really, I just wanted to appear smart. :D

[davepc]

4. you go fight your shadow war

I'm going to focus on making this party better resonate with Americans.

[TheWatcher]

6. I've been following your Posts for a long time Mopaul.

And I for one completely agree with you.

The honest truth is mopaul, I know what you are suggesting. I do see it. And the fact is I am not sure there are enough of us to actually take that step.

Could we be mobilized to?

Perhaps.

In my heart, I know at this time, it would be a suicide mission to do so.

The alternative? We get ready to do this again in two years.

Their next goal is a Super majority in the Senate. That will make them filibuster proof.

After that, you can forget about strategy of any kind.

The last crack in the door will close, as Mike said tonight.

Well, actually Mike said the last crack in the door was already closed. But we don't dare mention that around here either. But I agree with him. We DID do everything right this time. We DID win.

But as has been said so many times, these types do not give up Power by silly little things and concepts such as electoral colleges and ballots, and votes.

They don't play by the rules. We do. Maybe that's why we keep losing. But I don't know the answer.


I'll get flamed for this post, for the very simple reasons of low post count, No little Star, despite the fact I used to have one and have been around for a year and a half, and the fact that I agree with Malloy tonight, that this WASN'T a legitimate election, and it has been stolen AGAIN. (And it won't surprise me at all. The paranoia around here is at a justifiably all time high because of real Freepers that hung around on the Board for a long time, and then outed themselves last night in a fit of childish, Brown Shirt, Mouth-Breathing spasming. It was disgusting.)

I don't care. I can accept that. But they shouldn't flame you. You are simply telling it like you see it. And sometimes the hard truth is very, very difficult to deal with. Just look at 9/11. Nothing need be said there.

The fact is my friend, I agree with what you are saying, but I just don't think the people of this country are willing to take that step. Maybe we aren't angry enough. Maybe we haven't lost enough. Whatever the reason, we aren't there yet.

What will it take to make people take the steps you are suggesting. Stick around for four more years. The darkest part of my soul tells me we may find out.

[blondeatlast]

10. You are right. People simply aren't angry enough, and sadly,

they never will be. Even if all 55,000 DUers were as committed as you, MoPaul, and me we couldn't even get all of us to agree with it.

We are viciously angry, and I too am sick to death of just talking about it.

I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but our first chance to fire back at them is coming any moment now, literally,

The Supreme Court--with Bush re-elected, I'm fairly certain Rehnquist will NOT return. We need to be ready NOW.

[Sterling]

25. OK I don't think I know what we are talking about after all sorry.

nt

[Jersey Devil]

7. That's why we lost - Kerry spoke in riddles as you are

Say what you mean if you want people to understand where you stand.

[Sterling]

28. There is a lot of truth in that, if we stuck to our beliefs and not

tried to please everyone maybe a few more people would have ended up hearing our message and being encouraged by it?

In my mind even if we lose every election till the end of time but run on our VALUES!!!, we will have a greater impact on the country. I doubt we would have to wait very long for victory either. At this point I cannot ever seeing a Dem victory on the road we are on.

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. You want to do something

then fucking do it.

What do you suggest? Right now we are in a vacuum. Our leaders have abandoned us. No one else can save us, we must save ourselves.

This is no longer about winning the WH or politics. It is about religion and American ideals. What are our ideals? How can we stop anti-christs like Bush, Robertson and Falwell from defining our values? This is the next phase of this battle. The last 4 years have been a piece of cake compared to what comes next.

So come on Mo, put your energy to good use. It's time to expose the Pharisees, throw over the tables in the temple, take back christianity from the fundies. I am so sick and tired of people telling me how immoral I am because I am liberal. Because I believe in truth and honesty and trying to do the right thing not just for myself but for everyone else in the world. All the fundies are waiting for the second coming. Just wait until they find out, we are the second coming.

[leftchick]

41. I want to fucking do it....

ruptured disc and all I need to fucking do it. I am sick of listening to the fundies define morals and twist Jesus' teaching to their warped version of Christianity.

I heard Greg Palast yesterday morning compare the apathy of this country to the pro-active countries that have suffered fixed elections and not stood for it. They took their countries back from the brink of fascism and we need to do the same.

[psunitlions1]

11. Logistically it is extremely hard to do

!

[mopaul]

12. we could make ourselves known

by legally and peacefully surrounding the white house in a never ending vigil till they all leave our white house to we, the owners.

[American Tragedy]

15. Yeah, that sounds like a very realistic long term solution.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. Then pick a time and date

But let's not make it impossible for people to participate.

I'm not 18 anymore with few cares, that I can just jump in the car and leave my kid and my business for a half a week.

What I am suggesting is to issue a call for people to Stand Together across the country. Lets say starting this Friday night, people who are liberals and oppose this misadministration should go to their town squares and city centers to Stand Together. A peaceful vigil. A chance to mourn together. Democracy is dead. We need to have a funeral.

[mopaul]

17. good idea

we must let them know they work for us. they don't own us.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. Maybe you could design a flyer?

Maybe we can get people to spread this idea around?

Who can do press releases?

We have so much creativity on our side. A funeral could be a real hoot.

[mopaul]

22. i'm at your service

[DoYouEverWonder]

26. Okay, lets go for it

Maybe some kind of announcement that we can post here, there and everywhere. With your skills, I'm sure you can come up with something that will 'catch the eye'.

Then maybe we can get some folks to help us blast this idea across the interet?

I'm open to suggestions?

[American Tragedy]

32. I actually like the idea

I really did consider a 'Funeral for America' before, but up to now I hadn't been able to contemplate the electoral outcome that would justify it. It would be cathartic and maybe even energizing. I'm in.

[American Tragedy]

27. I'm sure Bush and the Republicans really care

Look, I would be enthusiastic about these demonstrations if I thought that they had any concrete effect whatsoever. But trying to hold the White House under siege by standing around in a circle is just an exercise in self-indulgence. You are unlikely to evoke sympathy and it will be easy for them to cast you as obscure radicals who do not represent Americans as a whole.

I protested the war very actively, as did many others. But realistically, could any of us have stopped Bush's resolve? Not an inch. He surely already knew that we existed, and it is clear that he did not care and still does not.

In the end it was just done to ensure the right to say "I told you so" when it all went to hell as we had projected. Personal vindication is a very hollow victory though; it does not save lives or change public policy.

[DoYouEverWonder]

29. This is not a protest, it's a funeral

It is a time for mourning and supporting each other. If you want to just sit home and complain fine. I intend to at least try to change my little world. It's the least I can do.

[American Tragedy]

33. No way. I'm in.

I was referring to futile attempts at sedition, not particularly the funeral. I'm all for holding a funeral. I'm dressed entirely in black right now anyway, I might as well go all-out.

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. Great

I think this could actually turn out to be a lot of fun. I'm all for funerals being fun.

[American Tragedy]

37. Yeah. Let's put the fun back in funeral

Sorry, lame I know, but I couldn't resist.

[American Tragedy]

39. I wasn't just trying to be a downer in my earlier posts, you know.

I don't want to see you guys do something stupid or dangerous that might lend ammunition to these bastards. We're on the same side, you and I; it's only a question of tactics. I want to kick the fuckin teeth out of their mouths for what they've done, and I think it's long past time to take off the gloves, but on the other hand I also don't want to feed the spinmeisters who are poised to define us at every step. The labor unions were crippled for decades in the early twentieth century partly because of a bad reputation that developed from one or two riots.

[robcon]

13. This is an awful thread.

mopaul wrote: "i don't even have to say what it is we have to do, we all already know. why won't we do it? that's the question."

This is not what we need. We need people who will speak their minds, not speak in intentionally vague catch-phrases and jargon. We don't "all already know" because we don't agree on what tactics we should employ.

We need to unite our people in a cause and in tactics that will achieve that cause.

[mopaul]

14. agreed

[jdj]

18. dear mopaul, i hate it too.

at this point I don't know what the solution is, and I'm not in enough to know what you mean, but we are being trolled to DEATH on here. I'd estimate 75% of the "whatever will we do threads" on hear are from trolls. I feel like I need a shower just from being on here for 15 minutes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. One Thing...

This revolution bullshit is fodder for right wing talking heads and will invite the scrutiny of the authorities to this board...


If they are reading this please note that the only thing that trumps my contempt for the Bush maladministration is my unwavering love for my country and the knowledge that the ballot box eventually rights all wrongs...

[American Tragedy]

40. Thank you, my point exactly

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. There's Not Going To Be A Revolution In This Country....

They kicked our ass at the ballot box...


Hopefully next time we will kick theirs....

[psunitlions1]

23. the way to do it

first step is to get them to do it

we need to divde on the very values they preach

the lynch pin move to get it started is Abortion rights to the states thos that dont want it will move to the state that abolish it those that do will move to the states that allow it

we might to need to rethink how we address these issues..maybe they need to be localized

[Sterling]

31. "we need to divde on the very values they preach"

I hear that, we have to challenge this insane faith based logic being used to brainwash these people.

[American Tragedy]

35. That is an interesting idea

Personally I think we need to emphasize a civil libertarian platform. Montana, as red as it gets, legalized marijuana. I think we have a great opportunity to point out the Republicans as the party of big government, intrusiveness, and restriction of personal liberty.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. The Right Wing Are The Ones Prone To Violence...

It wasn't left wingers who crucified Matthew Sheppard...


It wasn't a left winger who beat Barry Winchell to death with a baseball bat...


Those fuckers are crazy and eventually they will do another stupid thing and discredit the whole movement.....

We need to be cool , calm, and collected...

[DoYouEverWonder]

30. We are never going to win at the ballot box

We have to change the way people see the world. How we look at each other. Democracy is dead, get over it.

[teevee99]

42. WE NEED TO STIGMATIZE THE RIGHT

We need to tell people they're stupid when they make comments against gay marriage or "librals"...

I started yesterday in my office. I walked in and said "Wow, what do we live in, the 1930's?" I am making it impossible for anyone around me to be proud about being conservative or supporting *.

This is one Dem that's not fucking backing down EVER again.