You did this to yourselves...

[RBHam]

Mesage to all you "mainstream" Democrats, you can pull your index fingers out of your ears and stop saying "la la la la la" over and over to yourselves...

By ignoring the massive mountains of evidence that 9-11 was an inside job and that Dick Cheney was in de facto command and control of this updated "Operation Northwoods", refusing to realizze that the "War On Terror" has been painstakingly engineered for years by the Neo-Con braintrust running a foreign and domestic Black Ops program (the "Culture War" is more than just a reactionary movement by the religiously insane Republican Brownshirts), by pretending that the Carlyle Group and the Militarty Industrial Complex had nothing to do with this travesty that is unfolding in the middle east (here you can give yourselves a big pat on the back for stabbing Cynthia McKinney in hers, by turning a blind eye towards the truth about Black Box voting, by turning on Howard Dean and stomaching the selection of John Kerry, by rolling over and letting the Far Right intimidate you from asking the real questions...

Are you ready for an all out assault on women's and minority rights? For a flood of racist hate crimes and blatant gay bashing? Will you shake your head ruefully as Bush stacks the Supreme Court with justices who believe as Fat Tony Scalia does, that "God" is above the Constitution? Are you ready to send off your sons and daughters to fight a never ending, world wide War of terror and a domestic control program that will basically strip you of your right of free speech?

I wonder how "Shocked! Just shocked, I say" you'll be when the Republicans, who now absolutely control every branch of Government and the reins of the Media, convene a national council to rewrite the Bill of Rights?

This is your reward for your pig headed refusal to dare to consider what lies beyond the pale.

The election was stolen through the auditeless voting machines, and if your'e wondering why Kerry isn't bringing this up, Kerry can't say shit because he was the beneficiary of this fraud during the nomination process. Remember Gephardt being told that no recounts were possible.

You people deserve the next 20 years of Fascist hell that is about to be unleashed by the neo-cons and their Kristian minions - you fell asleep at the wheel. You failed in your duty to be vigilant and to fight for your constitutional rights. You failed your country, and what's really sad, is that you have failed the world. You could have stopped these Nazi rat bastards, you REALLY could have. Many of us were ringing the alarm bells after 9-11, and the evidence is still out there awaiting your attention. But it's too late now, because once Patriot Act II is signed into law, any questions raised now will surely mean a trip to an American version of Guantanamo Bay. Where you will be tortured into confessing any crime they decide you've committed.

Don't think so?

I've been right every time since 9-11, and been called a crazy, wacko conspiracy theorist for my trouble. I did all I could to wake you people up, but the majority of you refused to listen.

By the way, say a prayer for Cynthia McKinney, because she's now on the "Wellstone" list. Read this article and then go pound your head into a wall.

Day of the Dead:
The Haunting of the White House

By Cynthia McKinney and Catherine Austin Fitts

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041101130426916

[Connie_Corleone]

1. Evangelical Christians....That's why we lost.

Gay marriage was more important than the Iraq War, 9/11, economy, jobs, supreme court and everything else to those idiots.

[Sterling]

4. Yet we cannot take that position here anymore?

Is that right? It is clear as day that faith based thinking is a huge factor in our decline.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

6. Says who?

exit polls ?

[Tweed]

16. yeah actually

[RBHam]

2. kick

it's for your own good

[RBHam]

15. kick

:kick:

[RBHam]

21. again

nt

[Sterling]

3. Why can't we blame the fundies anymore?

Is that mainstream now as well? That we cannot acknowledge people like Tim Lahaye and the cancer they are on our country?

[Tyler Durden]

5. IT'S NOT THE FUNDIES!

The rePukes would pander to DOG FUCKERS if they were the "Fundamentalists" of the day. They'd pander to US if it would make them win.

THE FUNDIES ARE AN EXCUSE. THIS IS NOW CIVIL WAR. KILL THE INCOME TAX AND STARVE THE RED STATES. INVALIDATE THE FLORIDA HURRICAINE BAILOUT: I DON'T LIVE THERE. DO YOU? AND IF YOU DO, MOVE!

[candy331]

7. Few replies to your thread I see, so expect more of the same. n/t

[TroglodyteScholar]

8. When...

...will the "mainstream" Democrats get the balls to move leftward? Moving to the right CLEARLY isn't working for them. Are we all insane?

[StickNCA]

20. Perspective is important

...will the "mainstream" Democrats get the balls to move leftward? Moving to the right CLEARLY isn't working for them. Are we all insane?

What the vast majority of the folks HERE do not recognize is the differences in perspective.

Sure, YOU think that JFK/JE were running a campaign slanted to the right, and that the DNC is tilting the same way, BUT from the average American's point of view, it is still left.

Clinton ran a moderate campaign and look what happened.

I've seen many people on this board get banned (and been one myself) for expressing views that were not in lockstep with the FAR LEFT viewpoint that predominates here.

You cannot just kick out folks that you cannot relate to or you LOSE and LOSE big.

While the majority of folks here see nothing wrong with GAY MARRIAGE or gay partnerships, you have to wake up and see that fully 80% of the rest of the country feels different! Right or wrong, they feel different about it.

To think that anything that you can say or do is going to change THEIR perception of this is insanity. I don't give a rat's ass who you're sleeping with, or who you're living with, and most of the country doesn't either, UNTIL YOU SHOVE IT IN THEIR FACE and force them to make a decision.

Bad mistake.
Look what it got us.

[tnlefty]

9. kick

:kick:

[TroubleMan]

10. Agree. We all said we would never let 2000 happen again

Well it just fucking happened again.

An the guy we picked to lead us let it happen. Like I've said before, it doesn't matter it he would have won or not....he was supposed to fight for us.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

14. Buyers

remorse sets in

[noiretextatique]

11. all of this plus accepting the disenfranchisement of people of color

as regular and normal...and nothing to be up in arms about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2586949

[G_j]

12. Hitler

knew that the more outrageous the crime, the less people would believe it.
-------------------
which pill was it again? red or blue?

[GodHelpUsAll2]

13. Great post

[underseasurveyor]

17. Yeah it is!

Hopefully it will dispel any remaining pink-clouds and rosy bubbles lingering about. I've read RB's stuff for a couple years now and his insights have been more often than not, dead on :thumbsup:

The first thing I ever read of RB's was his 'Epiphany' I was hooked and he was book-marked;-)

[parhelion]

18. Painfully true...

You've just stated many of my thoughts far more succinctly than I could have. It's going to take a while for me and many others to come to terms with what has happened over the last two days; I'm still in a state of shock. For the few months I've been lurking here I've been amazed and ofttimes offended by the harsh rejection that gets thrown at anyone who dares to suggest a "conspiracy theory" on these boards. "Tinfoil Hat" my *ss. If the fake election of 2004 and Kerry's unexplainably quick concession and broken promises aren't enough to wake up the "mainstreamers", I don't know if anything ever will.

Call me a "Tin Foil Hatter" if you will, but I was willing to suppress my cynicism and voted for the first time in 20 years, for Kerry. I'll admit many of the people here at DU helped to sway me towards a sense of belief that Kerry could do it, although I much preferred Clark, Dean or Kucinich. I've never been so let down in my life; not just by the fact that he lost, but that he gave up without a fight, after promising he wouldn't. All my fears have been confirmed. There is no democracy in this country and we now live in a one-party theocratic dictatorship. And as RBHam suggests, much of the blame has to go with the Dems, who for whatever reason, felt it was too controversial to attack the Bush Regime on the most obvious and blatant misdoings - MIHOP, War On Terror, BBV, etc. Now we'll all pay the price, and the Democratic Party is for all intents and purposes, irrelevant. There is no longer a viable, organized opposition. Yet I still see threads here about who the Dems should run in 2008. Don't you people get it? The charade's over. Sure, there'll be an "election" in 2008, just like the ones in the former Soviet Union. Two candidates, one party. One might still be called a "Democrat", but rest assured, he'll either be unelectable or will be virtually indistinguishable from the Repuke candidate on most issues.

The only possible way I can see us fighting this is by uniting - Progressive Dems, Greens and yes, even Nader (I know I'll get flamed for that one). I'm going to do everything possible to support grass roots movements like moveon.org, and boycott every Repuke-contributing company possible. I for one, can't afford to move abroad, much as I'd love to get out.

BTW, Glad you brought up the Operation Northwoods. Not many people are aware that our own government were planning an attack very much like 911 over 30 years ago.

[sangh0]

19. I'm a little confused

Are there many people on DU who think BFEE was NOT involved in 9/11?

I did not realize that, though I never thought to ask

[parhelion]

22. That's my impression.

Mind you, as I said I've only been lurking here for a few months with few posts to my credit, but I have gotten the impression that LIHOP and MIHOP are pretty much laughed off by the majority here. Understandable in some ways, considering some of the whacko variations that are out there (I think these are disinfo). I believe the prevailing attitude here is that the BFEE is guilty of only gross negligence and complacency with 911, much like M. Moore's theory (and although I don't agree with him on this, I have great respect for him). I suspect many people may be willing to accept just how evil the BFEE really is now that "Selection 2004" has happened.

[area51]

24. Welcome.

Welcome to DU, parhelion.

[parhelion]

25. Thanks! N/T

[Insider]

23. Preach.

:kick:

[Minstrel Boy]

26. You said it, RB!

All I can do is :eyes: reading people's suggestions for 2006 or 2008. After the past four years, they can still think it's merely politics that's being played.

The system is broken, and those bastards are that evil.

[Desertrose]

27. totally agree....

and a kick.

What the hell is it gonna take to wake people up? I really was hoping we wouldn't have to find out.

[Lorien]

28. We'll all get what they deserve

Hey RB, plenty of people call my views of late "empty, defeatist, bleak..." but the situation is just that.

People say they'll "fight", but dammit, why couldn't I get DUers in my city to volunteer for Kerry. Not even for an afternoon. I know many DUers took action then, but just as many- if not far more- did not. Inaction implies consent.

I don't see how America will ever have another honest election. I just don't.

Bleak? Hell yes.

[wrate]

29. You have to understand that for Americans who have for decades

given unrestricted credit to their government, all this is difficult to believe.

IMHO the first thing that needs to be done is make certain that votes are what the voter intended and are counted. Either have the e-voting set up in a way that recounts are possible with paper trail, or completely outlaw the use of computers for voting purposes. Go back to basics.

The fact is, right now, that the American people cannot be sure that the votes were counted fairly in Florida because there is no paper trail. That should be ILLEGAL. There should be a law that outlaws any means of voting that is not possible to re-count.

After vote counting is certain, then you fight for your party. But this one part (vote counting and recounting) has to be the basis of the entire democratic process. I still cannot understand who was the person or persons that authorized the use of diebold voting machines that did not produce a paper trail. If any Democrat was involved in this, he/she is a traitor to his party and his Nation.

[leftofthedial]

30. oh no

politics are now just like my sex life

[NAO]

31. Why 9/11 truth was not seen...plus more on the religious right

The truth about 9/11 was rejected by the American people as too awful to bear. They just cannot believe that their own government would do this, or allow this to happen on purpose. The evidence was right out there in the open, but there was a kind of collective denial.

On Making Sense of the Evangelical Vote

It is impossible to make sense of the political ambitions of the religious right without understanding the information revealed in the articles below. It is NOT just about Christians voting their values. Most Christians, if given the complete information and time to reflect, would reject this agenda.

Mainstream and even some Fundamentalist Christians have been deceived and are being used to promote this agenda. Even true Fundamentalist Christians would not support this program if they understood it, because it is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The rise to political power of the Evangelical right is not just an unfortunate coincidence or even a spontaneous popular movement. It is a well planned, well executed power-grab with a very disturbing agenda.

The Despoiling of America
How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State By Katherine Yurica
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5646.htm

This article is well documented, well researched and is critically important in understanding the religious right. It's not just about Christians voting their values.

More information on Dominionism from the author's website:

The original article.

The Despoiling of America
How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State By Katherine Yurica
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

a follow-up article by the same author:

Conquering by Stealth and Deception
How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power By Katherine Yurica
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm


Links to More Articles Revealing the Rise of Dominionism in America
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAmerica.html

[Robeson]

32. Good post...

...and many on this site have thought and said the same. Unfortunately, when a lot of people mention this, then the "tin foil" hat is immediately attributed to them.

Then I've heard those who agree, but say, "the American people just don't want to deal with it, and want it put behind them", like, OK lets turn the page. Screw that. If its the truth, then its the truth. Deal with it.

The German people didn't want to be drug through the newly liberated concentration camps after WW II. They thought that it was allied propaganda that anything could have been going on in them. Well, luckily for the human race, Eisenhower made them go through those camps, and forced the Germans to deal with a rather unsavory part of their system. Perhaps we need to do the same with our people, and get them out of denial.