Are there millions of people in the streets?

[SoCalDem]

nope.. we took it in the shorts again, and just went to work and to the mall..

says it all, doesn't it?

We are predictable, and easy marks.

Our opposition hates gays, poor people, and fair elections

They love guns and god and george bush.. says it all, doesn't it?

[Shopaholic]

1. They respond to fear

we believe in hope.

[mbperrin]

2. Fraid you're right, SoCalDem. This is why two years ago we

closed all bank accounts and any other documentable means of spending, have bought some land to plant a garden. It's going to be very bad and make the Reagan debacle look like a good time at the prom!

I won't "unify" but I may have to lay low!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. you don't think they can trace you from your posts though?

[SoCalDem]

10. One difference regarding the reagan years..

the people who were old THEN, had US (the boomers) to make sure they had plenty of money..WE were the ones who got the payrol taxes boosted on OUR wages (to prepare for OUR retirement and to pay for all those oldster votes that raygun got)

Now that WE are the oldsters, there is no one to help US..

Oh well, I have reinstated my "100 year" philosphy..A hundred years from now it won't matter to me at all :)

[killbotfactory]

3. Our leadership caved

What can we do when no one elected to represent us will take a stand?

[Vickers]

11. Bingo. Even mobs need a shining example

:)

[marano]

4. Democracy is Dead.

I wanted to post this as an original thread but the site won't let me. If anyone appreciates what I have to say would you please post this for me as an original thread.

Che Guivera said in his writing, Guerrilla Warfare, that when free elections cease to be the way leaders are chosen that hostilities can be presumed to have already started. Anyone on this board who gives any credence to this election having been anything but a sham is either naive or a fool. Democracy died at the 2000 election. Being good people who believe in this country we attempted with this, the 2004 election to use what we have always known as the American system to change things. We said to ourselves that the 2000 election while wrong was something we would not let happen again. We truly meant what we said. What we did not realize is that since the 2000 election things are no longer in our control. Michael Moore and others believed enough in our system of government to believe that we could get out the vote, motivate people to change the country through the democratic process and that we could in that way take the country back from those who stole it from us in 2000.

They were not aware as were most of us were not, that Democracy in this country died in 2000. This election, the 2004 election should confirm this for us all. It pains me to say this but I feel that it is true. I think that the power has shifted from the people, who make this a democracy to those who now own the country. I know that many of our fellow Americans voted for these people in this election, because of ignorance and the propaganda that they are fed on a daily basis by these people who now control this country. Their beliefs, their values, were used against them and they assisted these people with their agenda and a little assistance added to a lot of money...which is power in our capitalist system is all that they need to give an air of legitimacy to this pretense of democracy.

What is next? I do not know. I can almost picture and hear things like...."Term limits are outdated and UnAmerican"...."If the people want me to be President forever that is their right." I truly believe that we will never again see a REAL election again in this country until something happens to remove the people who now own and are in control of OUR country. Government of the people, by the people and for the people is over with for now... and will be until the next chapter in American history comes. When will it come, how will it come, only the people can determine that. I hope that I live long enough to see the nation become something other than what it is today, November 3rd, 2004. I have never been less proud to be an American than I am on this day.

[pinniped]

5. There was a small protest in front of the federal building in SF...

AND They were trashing both Kerry and *.

There were only a couple dozen of them because the police only sent two paddy wagons.

[SoCalDem]

14. Apparently there was a 500 person protest in SanFrancisco

over healthcare, tonight.. 500 blind optimists:eyes:?


The Bushie helathcare is the HSA..(translation. Do it yourself..leave us out of it.. and BTW..no more Canadian drugs)

[WI_DEM]

6. But our General isn't leading any troops

[City Lights]

7. The problem I see this time is that the theft was cleaner.

They're getting better at it and leaving fewer clues behind. My dad believes they stole it in 2000 but doesn't feel that way this time.

[sangh0]

9. Self-entitlement

People still won't fight. They won't even cut their cable.

[timeforachange]

12. people are lazy

it's the american way.

[Xipe Totec]

13. There WILL be Millions of People on the Streets

in less than a year, saying "why the hell did we re-elect this asshole?"

Grab some peanuts, relax, and watch the show.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil prices surged more than $1 on Wednesday as the re-election of President Bush countered the impact of a big increase in spare oil supplies ahead of winter.

Crude dealers said Bush's victory over Democrat Senator John Kerry (news - web sites) could bolster U.S. fuel demand and underscore anxiety over the security of Middle East oil shipments.

U.S. light crude settled up $1.26 to $50.88 a barrel, climbing back over the psychological $50 mark after settling below it for the first time in a month on Election Day. Brent crude was up $1.01 to $47.56.

(snip)

"A Bush victory will be big for oil demand and keep prices high," said Phil Flynn, an analyst at Alaron Trading in Chicago. "Not only will the SPR be filled, but I think they may expand it."


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=580&e=1&u=/nm/20041103/bs_nm/markets_oil_dc

[leftofthedial]

15. gawd bless murka

and pass me a viper

[Amused2Death]

16. just because people aren't protesting...

doesn't mean they're not pissed.

i assure you, people are very, very sad right now in the state of Maryland.

it's like 9/11 happened all over again.

we're still in shock.

[Pastiche423]

17. There were hundreds protesting

in Eugene and Portland, Oregon today.

Plans for more are being organized.

[Lorien]

18. Hell, trying to get volunteers from DU for the campaign

was far, far more difficult than it should have been (the word "action" sends most scurrying to the lounge). Take to the streets? No, most will just content themselves with shopping and "reality" TV.

I cut the basic cable today, and I'm going to try to get permanent resident status in Canada. I don't expect the left to change anytime soon, so I won't deceive myself into believing that there will be a "revolution" or any other such upheavals. Bread and circuses, that's all the people want anymore. :-(

[UdoKier]

19. Even here in San Fran, it was quiet.

I think a few Indymedia folks protested in the Tenderloin, but I have to work to put food on my FAMILY. One lost paycheck and I'm out on the STREET.

[American Tragedy]

20. millions of people in the street doing what exactly?

Demonstrating pointlessly, random civil disobedience, reinforcing the perception that we are radicals with an ax to grind?

I agree that we need to do something, but something beyond just making a statement. As I previously observed, we need to apply fiscal negative reinforcement. Boycott everybody who supported this right-wing fuckup on a massive scale, and make sure that they know why.

[SoCalDem]

22. I only mentioned it, because in other countries, the people feel free

enough to actually do this.. The populace here is so out of practice at channeling anger, that we don't even know what to do, when we feel it the most..

The easy acquiescence "allows" more and more injustices to occur.

In the late 60's, even facing expulsion and possible immediate induction into the army, kids protested the war.. The blacks faced fire hoses and dogs, and pointy-hatted murderers, and they still protested..

The spirit of protest these days, is weak, and the other side knows it.. They have tested and tested the "other half", and they know they can "deal with" it, and we will all just blend back into the crowd.

[American Tragedy]

24. Look, I would do it if there was any reason to believe that its effective

I protested the war very actively, as did many others. But realistically, could any of us have stopped Bush's resolve? Not an inch. He surely already knew that we existed, and it is clear that he did not care.

In the end it was just done to ensure the right to say "I told you so" when it all went to hell as we had projected. Personal vindication is a very hollow victory though; it does not save lives or change public policy.

[sub.theory]

21. Well, that's to be expected

when our leadership abandons us....again. I know there would have been millions in the streets if Kerry had called for it. But now...no one knows what the hell to do.

[Buddyblazon]

23. People protested here tonight at one of the TV news outlets...

just caught a snippet of it though...they were screaming "COUNT THE VOTE". If I had known...I would have called up my brethran at local 7 to bring bats and do it "Union style". Well...maybe not bats...but a lot of muscle.

BTW...I'm in Denver.

[SuffragetteSal]

25. Portland Oregon in the streets today!

some are even getting arrested...google...I am sure it is somewhere...it was on our tv tonights news...

[Q3JR4]

26. Come on people!

We need to rally the troops! Yeah they may have stolen the election, and will probably receive a special place in hell. If the Dems don't do ANYTHING about it, we're no better than they are.

Cowardice is no excuse for complacency.

[SoCalDem]

27. The reality is this.. We spent the last 35 years being "tamed"

and entertained, and we have no stomach for it anymore.

As long as the soldiers are signing up and dying willingly, and as long as their Mommas clutch their photgraph and weep into a microphone "I love George Bush"... there will be no real dissent..

He thinks of us as a "focus group", and he's in charge, so ....

[G_j]

28. a few of us have...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1310397

Nov. 3, Asheville NC, I joined a group of about thirty people with anti-war signs and marched around downtown banging pots and pans and chanting "Bush is a murderer a liar and a cheat" and "No more war crimes". The noise got a lot of attention and some others joined our ranks.
At least it felt good and nobody was arrested.
We are going to do it again Friday.

-lots of positive response from rush hour taffic also..

[Z_I_Peevey]

29. There is no leader

and without a leader, the movement is fragmented and confused. I said it "election" night and I'll say it again: the only thing that could save this country is TRUTH. And no one with any sort of public platform or power will stand up and say the simple truth: 2000 was stolen, 2002 was stolen and 2004 was stolen.

(Yes, I know the Congressional Black Caucus has said it, but America is racist to the core and only mocks them.) They, and possibly Al Gore, are the only politicians I have any respect for at all. The rest, who go along with the Big Lie, are just as bad as the Republicans IMHO.



edited for typo

[Mick Knox]

30. Hell we joined em

Now we hate gays too.

and blacks since they cost us the south.

And Michael Moore for having the gall to tell the truth.

[Aunt Anti-bush]

31. I'd LOVE to take it to the streets!!!

Unfortunately they have us by the balls here. We're about poor as dirt here. Can't take off one or two days to protest because I'll have to cancel the internet and leave the lights off in the house and resort to candles. Not to mention my boss is republican and will fire me on the spot so there goes the food, the heat, etc.

Can't afford healthcare so I can't stand out in the rain and cold weather for fear I'll get the flu and you know there were no flu vaccines for people like us.

Can't stand in the street to protest for fear I'll wind up in jail and I have a son at home to take care of.

What can I do??? Tell me and I'll do it. Immediately, that night when Skinner asked who's with me and wanted to go to Ohio, I grabbed my purse and was ready to go before reality set in that my car wont make it to Ohio and I'm broke. Tell me what to do.