Who really believes that GWB is Christian? and the Moral Majority is

[shelley806]

Right?

We as a nation are schizophrenic, and the current administration has only furthered the division of America's soul, because it has made all issues of value, and morality its own...but for those with ears to hear, and eyes to see, the foundation is based on falsehood, and must eventually collapse on itself.

How many of you really believe B* is "Christian?" How many of you think that support for the unborn is good, but the death penalty and war with Iraq is good at the same time, that trillions of unborn fetuses are more important than the 100,000 Iraqis civilian deaths,
that the right to bear arms (to kill others) is good, but stem cell research which would help the living is evil, and that pandering to the wealthy and corporations is of greater benefit than helping the poor and those who need our compassion and aid?

If this is the Moral Majority, then may God have mercy on us as a Nation. In one of Thucydide's speeches, it was stated that "Truth is simple, but when evil has to defend itself, all manner of speech is employed to uphold it." Maybe this is why the Democratic Party has always been of much greater moral value to me, than those who would falsely take claim to a moral victory...You cannot have lying criminals upholding truth; you cannot have deceitful people legitimatley winning elections...You cannot support freedom while suppressing it...You cannot be Christian while practicing Un-Christianity.

Tally: Who believes GWB is Christian?

[polmaven]

1. GWB is what I call

a Convenient Christian. He has been well rehearsed in all the faux Xtian body language. He gets a really well done pained expression when he is pretending to pray. He says all the right words for the fundies. He is Christian, however, only when it is politically expedient to be Christian.

Christians do not allow 100,000+ innocent civilians, including many, many children, to be slaughtered for political reasons. Christians do not allow people, particularly children, to be hungry for the sake of greed...or to go without health care for the same reason. Christians are Christians all the time, and their Christianity is not for public display and/or bragging rights.

For your second question, I'll bet you have guessed that no, I don't think the Moral Majority is either moral or, really, a majority.

[shelley806]

3. thank you and God bless us

[Joe Turner]

32. You nailed it

"a Convenient Christian. He has been well rehearsed in all the faux Xtian body language. He gets a really well done pained expression when he is pretending to pray."

That pained expression of his when pretending to pray just turns my stomach. It's such an overt play to the idiot fundies that watch Con Artists like Pat Robertson on TV do his Money Shake Down thing.

When are we as a people going to advance past all this pagan ritual Religious crap that is founded in complete fiction and centuries old folklore?

I'm not saying that God does not exist. IMO, a higher power probably does exist but it's way past our ability to understand it in any way. And I sincerely doubt this higher power takes political sides or cares that we adore it.

[pinniped]

35. Well said...

How will they react knowing they just voted for the fucking anti-Christ?

Where's my Omen III * picture?

[ibegurpard]

2. Who cares whether we believe it

Jesus himself could denounce him and his drones would crucify him all over again for it.

[shelley806]

4. True

[Tweed]

9. That's the attitude: don't fight it

We'll win that way!

:eyes:

[MileHiStealth]

5. Hmm ... I wonder ...

Who is the Beast?

The Beast is the leader of a powerful religious and governmental system that controls an alliance of nations called the Beast. This individual is extremely dynamic and charismatic and is described as a beast because he exhibits the characteristics of a beast as he ruthlessly leads the Beast system.

What is the Beast?

Besides being a leader, the Beast is also a system of government that controls an alliance of nations that will exist for a short time just before Christ's return. It is a system that merges religion and government in such a way that it gives those who administer it absolute authority, power, and control over all religious, philosophical, economic, and political aspects of the people's lives who come under its control.

This religious/political system of government has tremendous economic, industrial, military, and spiritual power at its disposal as it seeks to dominate the entire world. It is defined as a beast because it behaves as a powerful predatory animal, killing and destroying as it goes about satisfying its ravenous appetite for power and control.

[shelley806]

11. The Beast is the U.S. or B*

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. He comes by it honestly. Just like the millions who fall prey to

the shouting, garment rending, snake handling charlatans who are America's televangelists.

What we need to do is cut these cults off at the head. Just like Jim Bakker, they need to be caught doing what they all do, and sent to jail for it. Falwell, Robertson, they are all crooks and con men who are enriching themselves off their followers, and their bizarre revival tent Xtian values can only be discredited when they are themselves discredited. We need to have private investigators on these people 24/7.

Break up these corporate evangilists and let their followers go back to real churches where they can learn something about love, humility, generosity, faithfulness, spirituality and peace.

Who would Jesus execute?

[shelley806]

12. "corporate evangilists" and corporate neocons...this combination

of repulsion is why Kerry lost...and Rove won.

[Nordic]

7. I have photographic proof that he is Christian:

http://www.fdiskc.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov

He's about as much a Christian as I am a CEO of a major corporation.

The Repubs get a free ticket to do whatever the FUCK they want as long as they pander to the evangelicals.

What's sick is that the evengelicals fall for this bullshit act.

Bushco can do this, but it's okay, because they're "men of God".

[shelley806]

10. speechless this is evil no other words; last photo n/t

[Nordic]

37. Here's the story that goes with that last photo

for those who missed it a couple of months ago:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1303827,00.html

[Tweed]

8. George Bush is not a real Christian

He doesn't live out the words of Christ: help the poor, protect the defenseless, and avoid war.

[shelley806]

14. TU; I believe the same; But I must ask the obvious question?...If GWB is

not Xtian, why is it that they are claiming victory on the basis of it?

[phish420]

13. Notice he didnt thank god first...

Arent all good christians supposed to start their victory speeches with something like "First, I want to thank God. None of this would have been possible without him" or some crap like that? Instead he said "First and most importantly I want to thank my family"...incidentally, he NEVER thanked god that I heard.

[shelley806]

15. I didn't notice that, but I didn't listen to him; certainly not Cheney...

I did listen to Kerry and Edwards. Not B/C.

[WeirdHoward]

16. That is between him and his God.

No one among us can judge him in regards to religious pursuits. We exist now in the world of the mundane. Those who believe in judgement after life, will do that *AFTER LIFE*!!! On mundane, or worldly matters, we are free to judge the man. His relationship with God is personal. His performance as a president is abyssmal.
I had to reassure my kids that the world would keep turning today, though I fear for their future. My wife's a Quaker and I'm a Pagan, but I think we'll start going to more Quaker services, so the kids will get a better chance at a CO status when the draft starts.
I believe that God is Truth, and the Right Wing has made every overt attempt to alter truth, deny truth or create fabrications, and that is the snakehole from which the Devil will rise.
I pray for George W. Bush, for he does not know what he does.

[Straight Shooter]

17. bush knows what he does, but he does it anyway

When he's by himself, or with his closest friends, he laughs his ass off at the ignorant fundies who support him. He knows exactly what he's doing and he doesn't give a damn.

I'm not judging him, just evaluating him on the basis of his mind-boggling hypocrisy. George bush could make Jesus doubt the value of Christianity.

[shelley806]

18. "evaluating him on the basis of his mind-boggling hypocrisy" That is why

his hypocrisy is going to bite him in the behind.

[shelley806]

19. I thank you for your courage; Freedom cannot exist without it.

"I believe that God is Truth, and the Right Wing has made every overt attempt to alter truth, deny truth or create fabrications"

[phish420]

21. Bullshit. He made his faith public

[Endangered Specie]

20. W Christian... about as much as Adolf was Catholic...

as in 0.000%

[shelley806]

22. Then why are there so many fools who support this ...evil?

[chicagojoe]

23. You said the word -- fools.

I have a sister in law who voted for Bush ONLY because he says that he's a Christian. How shallow and foolish is that ?

[shelley806]

24. People need to know what is really means to be for truth; it's simple.

War is evil. Greed is evil. Lying is evil. Hatred is evil. All of what Bush and Rove and Cheney and Ashcroft stand for is the opposite of what they preach. So sad.

[Trahurn]

25. George Bush Is

George Bush is a christian and everything else he needs to be in the name of political expediency. In other words, if it were required to get him elected he would suddenly be a "tree hugger." The bottom line is Bush is nothing more that a total political whore. He will assume the required position and take it up the proper orifice as long as it gets him elected. I seem to remember reading a recent DU post criticizing political expediency. I tend to agree with that criticism but it sure has worked for Bush. But then to be what Bush is means you cant have any ethics and nothing is sacred to him. I am just glad I am not him. Christ I wish we had won though. There could have been such a air of excitement about this country's future. Not with the chimp that's for sure.

[shelley806]

27. I agree with you 100%...and I was also looking forward to truth, honesty,

hope, and idealism...B* and Rove give us the opposite but preach the lie. And it got them elected. And may God have mercy on their souls and ours.


"But then to be what Bush is means you cant have any ethics and nothing is sacred to him. I am just glad I am not him. Christ I wish we had won though." And so do we all.

[NAO]

26. I think Bush's own Church threatened to ex-communicate him

[shelley806]

28. How so and why? (Actually I could come up with 1,000's of answers as

to why...)

[Joe Turner]

29. Hypocrisy has always defined religious zealots

Religion has, since the dawn of man, been one of those areas where people with few scruples can piously elevate themselves above others by pretending to speak for god. It invariably draws the power hungry, greedy, self-righteous, hypocritical types like a magnet. Consider Pat Robertson "Exhibit A".

"How many of you really believe B* is "Christian?" How many of you think that support for the unborn is good, but the death penalty and war with Iraq is good at the same time, that trillions of unborn fetuses are more important than the 100,000 Iraqis civilian deaths"

B* uses Christianity to elevate his political power. In word and deed the man is as evil as they come.

[shelley806]

30. I agree with you; but why would we have elected him? I don't think that

record numbers of voter came out to support evil. Therefore there must have been election fraud. County by small county with the Diebold cheating machines eating up Kerry votes. Nothing else makes sense. B*'s evil does, but not so many supporting it.

[NAO]

31. Understanding Bush and the neo-cons religious agenda

It is impossible to make sense of the political ambitions of the religious right without understanding the information revealed in the articles below. It is NOT just about Christians voting their values. Most Christians, if given the complete information and time to reflect, would reject this agenda.

Mainstream and even some Fundamentalist Christians have been deceived and are being used to promote this agenda. Even true Fundamentalist Christians would not support this program if they understood it, because it is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The rise to political power of the Evangelical right is not just an unfortunate coincidence or even a spontaneous popular movement. It is a well planned, well executed power-grab with a very disturbing agenda.

The Despoiling of America
How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/StateBy Katherine Yurica
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5646.htm

This article is well documented, well researched and is critically important in understanding the religious right. It's not just about Christians voting their values.

More information on Dominionism from the author's website:

The original article.

The Despoiling of America
How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State By Katherine Yurica
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

a follow-up article by the same author:

Conquering by Stealth and Deception
How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power By Katherine Yurica
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm


Links to More Articles Revealing the Rise of Dominionism in America
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAmerica.html

[shelley806]

33. I cannot thank you enough for the links..A few days before the election

I did a google search on Dominionism, because this term had appeared in one of the searches on Strauss and the neocons. One of the articles which you posted, I've already read. But in plain language, ..

[Dangerman]

34. Well...

GWB is a Christian like I am a monkey's uncle!

[polmaven]

36. Could Georgie be your nephew???

:scared: