Well well well...Kerry sure gave up in a hurry.

[Rex]

I said last year that I thought this was all a setup to get Bush re-elected, and John Kerry was a part of it. The media picked Kerry for one simple reason - he would make a gracious loser. I'm sickened by the Democrats and won't be supporting them anymore. Actually it makes no difference what I think or do, we are all FUCKED.

Say hello to the New American Empire...say goodbye to the Republic.

EDIT - sorry mods, could this be moved to the "fighting" GDF? I didn't realize you guys split GD up.

[Not Me]

1. This is a little bit of tin-foil...but,

is there any reason to believe a Skull & Crossbones pact?
You don't sue a fellow member?

ok, I *did* say tin-foil.

[jackson]

18. Or could be that someone had some major dirt on Kerry.

For the skull and bones initiation they have to get naked and reveal sexual secrets in a dungeon tomb. maybe someone had something really bad they used to blackmail kerry.

[Easy]

22. Blackmail is possible, of course

Mike Ruppert once hinted that, while Kerry exposed some facts about Iran Contra, he helped to cover up even more. Sorry, can't remember where and when he mentioned it, could be in "Truths and Lies about 9/11".

I don't know what to believe, honestly. But I'm a cynic and part-time tinfoil hatter, so it would not surprise me.

~Easy

[Ducks In A Row]

2. Randi said it's because he knows that the machine dropped the votes

and that the paper couldn't make up the difference when the machines dropped so many votes


I say he should have stayed the course and make them show what they did to steal the votes.

[deadparrot]

4. But would it have done any good?

We know the machines are rigged. Kerry does, too.

But he'd be fighting an uphill battle. Even if we managed to get it to the Supreme Court, they'd strike it down in a second. Would it be fair to waste taxpayers' money paying for lawyers who would ultimately lose?

Kerry is a good man. I've believed it since the primaries, and I'll continue believing it. He's been through more than we have, and we've been through a lot. He wanted this thing BADLY. If there was any earthly way to win this thing, he would have done it. He has the benefit of advisors and strategists. I trust him when he says that there was no way to win.

[RinaJ]

12. No

We've known that there were problems with the damn machines for how long? Any lawsuit to correct those things would have need to have been ruled in our favor before the election. We knew that if there were a problem on election day we wouldn't have the hard data to prove it.

Kerry would have to prove that the machines were set to drop his votes. Such a lawsuit would not be completed in two months, four months, not even a year. And in the end, with no paper or electronic trail, we're fighting a losing battle.

[WillyT]

3. Gee... Thanks For The HELP AND SUPPORT !!!

:wtf:

Wrong forum, dude.

[mbee]

5. Part of me says you are 100% right about this, but then there's

John Edwards. Something inside of me asks could John Edwards the trial lawyer resist a thorough investigation of this mess? He's not going back to the Senate (is he?) so if everything goes back to normal maybe he'll get the goods on these criminals once and for all. I can only hope!

[SoCalDem]

7. The machines that were the pivotal ones have already had their

software changed.. That's the beauty of the beasts.. they leave no trail to follow..

[Radio-Active]

23. We need a recount in OHIO

we could still get that at least!

[Rex]

32. Good point.

Sounds like a new Oliver Stone movie in the making!

[zeemike]

6. I said the same thing

During the primaries, that Kerry was the man because he would gracefully concede after the election was stolen by the black box.
No one took me seriously then because they were sure they had a winner with a war hero, but that was just a Karl Rove distraction for them to chew on while he worked the magic.

[shance]

8. Stanley Hilton, the attorney suing the Administration said something to

this. He said something very similar, that Kerry would concede the election to Bush.

Coincidence?

[Javaman]

9. Giving up and conceeding are two vastly different things...

Never once did he say he gave up. This ins't over, just wait for it.

[Pastiche423]

13. Want to explain that vast difference?

[shance]

30. LOL Pastiche!!***

Looks like the cat's got their tongue.

:)

[maveric]

10. Fuck John Kerry!

He had nothing to lose by fighting this. The prospect was there, the lawyers were ready and his following knew it may come to this, so what did he do? He fucking rolled over like the democrat good puppy that I thought that he wasnt.
He let us and the rest of the country down!
The hell with him!

[venus]

16. Go take a nap. Or listen to the concession speech. But

noooooo, "we got your back Senator". You turn coats are the ones I'm going to fight.

[maveric]

20. He's the turncoat AFAIC. n/t

[jpgray]

11. Sadly, he did the right thing. There was nothing to be done about this

:(

[maveric]

14. Even if the provisional ballots werent there he still should have

questioned the validity of the no paper trail audit of the BBV's.
He had his lawyers ready and nothing to lose. Fuck him and the DNC!

[RinaJ]

17. Without a trail on the machines

He wouldn't be able to prove that he lost votes that cost him the election. I think we should still put up legal challenges with regards to the machines, but it's not going to change the outcome at this point.

[LTRS]

21. Um, yeah, but like a long time ago when

they passed the HAVA bill that didn't require a paper trail and left such decisions up to the states. If only our reps in congress actually read the shit they voted for, huh?

[venus]

15. You're sick. Go take a nap. n/t

[sangh0]

24. No, not sick....Consistent

There are many who have been waiting gleefully for this day.

[Rex]

34. And some are now sick because it has come to this day.

Some people just can't cope with the truth.

[jackson]

19. Would Howard Dean have conceded so fast to Bush?

I admit now I was duped by Kerry, who said he would fight for us, then what did he do? Christ, Gore even fought Bush harder than Kerry. I don't get it since Kerry even had Springsteen play "No Retreat, No Surrender" at a campaign appearance and used that song during other events. Then he surrendered without putting up a fight in the overtime phase. That was most disappointing, more so than Gore's concession in 2000.
He could have also asked for a statewide recount in florida, where Bush only won by about 300,000 votes and 1.6 MILLION provisional and absentee ballots were still uncounted.

[Born Free]

26. Would Howard Dean have conceded so fast to Bush?"

At the time the media decided they wanted Kerry I posted many message to keep supporting Kerry, not to give in to the media. However, democrats allowed the media to pick Kerry, I went along gave every dollar I could to help him but feel betrayed that he gave up so easily. He was afraid to look like AL Gore, but at least Al Gore gave showed some backbone.

[sangh0]

27. He didn't hesitate to concede to Kerry

.

[Deja Q]

29. Damning points, thank you for mentioning them.

Maybe * was right. Kerry is a flip-flopper, unfit for command. Seems to be more of an absolute truth in hindsight. :-(

[timeforachange]

25. the votes just weren't there

american is a racist country with millions of brainwashed simpletons.

[Deja Q]

28. Support DU, but I hear you on the Cowardic Party.

At least Dash-hole is gone. He was a sympathizer.

[HEyHEY]

31. If he had tried to hold on he'd of still lost okay - deal with it

I can't believe how many of you are turning on John Kerry now. It's fucking pitiful

[ikojo]

33. This is surprising? After all he's a DEMOCRAT!

Democrats always roll over for the republicans.

See the pugs BELIEVE they are entitled to being in power. Democrats do not act as if they belong there. It's as if they are little kids at Disneyland and they must pinch themselves to see if it's real.

[mtnsnake]

35. For someone who bragged all along how he'd fight until the end he sure

went down without much of a bang.