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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:53 AM
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America Is Dead
It is over. All over. America is over. Turn the lights off and go home.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:54 AM
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1. Where's home,NOW????
:think:
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KingChicken Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:54 AM
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2. It has to die first before we can start to rebuild.
people will reach the bottom of the barrel, then they might wake up...
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:55 AM
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3. Has anybody seen any melodrama on DU today?
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:59 AM
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6. whatever you say
The nazis have it now. It's all a spectator sport now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:02 PM
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:10 PM
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11. I thought this board was for fighting and acrimony.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:00 PM
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8. Have you seen the vote results today?
The republicans beat us. They control the fucking government.

They control the House.
They control the Senate.
They control the Presidency.
Soon they will control the courts.

Is there anything in the past four years that convinces you they will use their power responsibly?
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:04 PM
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10. Hey, I'm still alive
happily married, have a good job, have a kid on the way. I watch football on Saturdays and have a penchant for fine wine and beer.

Despite * being in office the last 4 years, not much has changed. And, I seriously doubt much will change in the next 4.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:12 PM
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12. Not much has changed?
No wonder you think it's no big deal.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:13 PM
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13. LOL...
really, what's changed?

The market is up 1.5% today.
I still had to wait in traffic for 45 minutes this AM.
I still have to pay taxes.

Bush is *TEMPORARY*
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:18 PM
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16. Didja look at the defecit lately?
Or maybe you've heard about a certain war that was waged in the most assinine and idiotic way possible that will bleed us dry for years to come? Or maybe you've heard of the PATRIOT act, or clear skies, or the oncoming right wing court packing that Bush has done and is going to do?

We're fucked.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:20 PM
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18. Don't forget Chem-Trails!!!
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:25 PM
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21. LOL Make sure you wear a helmet outside...
The sky is falling, yano?

I voted for Kerry. My wife voted for Kerry. I *DIDN'T* get mine
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:26 PM
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22. But you have your wine and beer and football...
Hey, that's all that matters.

I'm sure the republicans will control all three branches of government with responsibility and grace.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:32 PM
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24. Democrats were favored on all the issues except "morality"
Meaning we lost on gay bashing and abortion.

The country was demonstratably worse off because of Bush, but that didn't matter to most Americans. Mud slinging and gay bashing won the day. If you like living in a country where that's acceptable, more power to you.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:33 PM
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26. I love living in this country, *period*.
Knowing that in 4 years, I can speak my mind again.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:35 PM
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29. And it won't matter for shit
The courts will be stacked with right wing nutjobs, and so long as the republicans bash gays and are percieved as more pious, they'll win no matter how badly they run the country.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:36 PM
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30. So, what you going to about it, Mr. Killbotfactory, if...
that is your real name?

Sit here all day, posting as yet one more anonymous internet tuff-guy?
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:41 PM
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34. LOL...I have to say thanks for the comedy relief.
You're right. America is dead. Have you started packing your bags yet?
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:53 PM
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46. LOL! Shocked, indeed.
Actually, just helping you along to your unavoidable end. You're wasting my oxygen...
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:03 PM
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56. How does saying that make someone a coward?
Nevermind. You'll just spout more BS like the asshole you are.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:05 PM
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57. And he comes back for more? A glutton for punishment, you are.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:09 PM
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60. You think you're actually doing anything?
Other than being an ass?

More power to you.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:51 PM
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73. WHAT makes you think so?
How many people were denied their right to "speak their mind" yesterday? How many in 2000? How many more in 2006, 2008, 2010?

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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:19 PM
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17. Tell that to the families of over 100,000 dead Iraqis
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:20 PM
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19. Booya!
Have you considered a career in debate?
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truthseeker1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:10 PM
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61. It's all about you
isn't it? Selfish people like you are what got us where we are today.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:11 PM
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63. You're going to have to explain that one to me.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:42 PM
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35. Yeah, it's all about you. Just wait.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:43 PM
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36. Wait for what? The bogeyman? The ice cream truck?
What?
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:45 PM
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37. Well as long as you're nice and comfy
What a fucking self righetous and just plain selfish post. There are women and children in Iraq, Iran and Syria who will DIE because of this. But yeah, as long as you're comfortable. Boy if that doesn't sum up this country's disgusting arrogance, me-me, attitude I don't know what does.

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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:47 PM
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40. And if I've ever seen a boo-hoo, woe is me
post before, it's got to be yours.

And, yes, I am nice and comfy, because I worked my ass off to get there. DESPITE having suffered through Bush I, Reagan, and now this fucker.

AMERICA IS NOT DEAD
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:50 PM
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44. Where do you think I just came back from?
And why do you think I voted Kerry?

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:53 PM
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47. And you just posted that selfish missive?
Are we supposed to be grateful too? And for what? Are we supposed to compare ourselves with you and be thrilled for you? Exactly how to you figure we should react to your post?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:57 PM
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51. It is to those of us not in your position!
I notice you don't have a defense for your post. You must be a troll!
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:58 PM
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52. I cast my defense yesterday.
And so did my wife.

Kerry/Edwards 2004.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:06 PM
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58. And today you are comfy?
And expect the rest of us to just deal with it, and think this is a great country? You really think this was "just an election" don't you? Two words.Supreme Court. I am a woman. This is huge. We will cease to exist now. If we have no rights over our own bodies we don't exist.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:08 PM
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59. Really, what *are* you going to do?
Besides post anonymously on an internet board, that is.

This was a very important election. The next one will be even more important. And the one after that....

America is not dead.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:11 PM
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62. You're right. It's not dead.
Just a horribly mutated lumbering monster of a nation.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:13 PM
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64. OK, now we're getting someplace.
So, what are *WE* going to do about it?

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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:22 PM
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66. Shoot it in the back of the head and put it out of it's misery.
The only way to change this country is to indulge every right wing fantasy these idiots have been salivating for and then hold on and hope enough people will realize their mistake before it's too late.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:33 PM
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81. Wow, that's a very republican outlook
If you really believe nothing much will change in the next four years, then you may as well go back to watching your football and raising your kids and living in a fantasy world. As most republicans do.
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:34 PM
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28. Courts? Soon?? Give me a fucking break!!!
What about the last election?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:38 PM
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31. Have fun with another Scalia
I'm hoping the SC can hold out for another four years, I just don't believe it's going to happen.

The court stacking was bad already, and that was with a thin majority. Bush has a "mandate" now, snd he controls the house and senate.
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:55 AM
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4. Let it die....
Fuck this country.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:57 AM
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5. There are no checks and balances now.
The republicans will turn this country into a giant strip mall.

RIP
The United states of America
"A Once Great Nation"
1776-2004

That shining city on the hill? Yeah, Bush bulldozed it to put up a Walmart.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:00 PM
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7. No, it's only half dead.
And remember that the rest of the world is on OUR side.

So cheer up. Things are fucked. And I don't see them getting better. In America. In America. Who cares about America? Big deal. It's only 250 years old. Wipe it off the planet, and you still have Rome, London, Paris, etc.
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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:14 PM
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14. We've Jumped the Shark
Actually, we jumped the shark in the 2000 election. The terrible "episodes' of 2002 and 2004 confirm it. Time to cancel this show.

We are no longer the USA. We are, as another poster coined it, The Confederate Theocracy.
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:14 PM
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15. You misspelled it: Amerika
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pat1962 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:39 PM
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32. Read the Preamble to the Declaration of Independance.
The government is for the people by the people and if the government no longer serves the people then we have the right to change the goverment. Our forefathers were bright enough to see that at some point in time the government may become a dictatorship or a monarchy. I think we have arrived at that point in time. The problem is what do we do to change it. We must start at the grass roots just like the repubs did and work our future leaders up through the local governments. We cannot depend on either the media or the national leadership to help. Local issues have a way of becoming national ones.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:33 PM
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25. Fuck anyone who voted for this monster.
They all deserve to burn in a special place of Hell. Ignorant, evil, greedy, or bigoted. That sums up a Bush supporter.
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:34 PM
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27. BUT CANADA is well and ALIVE... OUR ECONOMY will benefir from
the stupid choice of 58 millions dimwhips....
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:46 PM
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39. the christians killed it
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:48 PM
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41. I agree
there will never be another free election, EVER. Their mission is to completely destroy the United States, its democracy, its structures, its freedoms, its economy and way of life. Its over, and that's a fact.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:18 PM
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65. The United States, 1789-2004
The United States of America
1789-2004

Now we will see all the social advances of the 20th century erased as constitutional democracy becomes a wholly owned subsidiary of the fascist state. There will be no guarantee to vote, unless you vote the right way. There will be no opportunity to hear or be visible to elected leaders, unless you swear a personal oath of allegiance to them. There will be no consumer protections, no right to sue if a company harms you or kills someone you know, no right to protect yourself from dangerous products, no protection from poisons in the environment by companies rewarded for wasting the fruits of our resources. There will be no freedom for or from religionl; your children will be forced to pray to the Christian God, and only the approved version of Him at that; they will be inculcated to hate all those who are different from their white male rulers, which means some children will hate others and others will hate themselves. Your own sons or daughters will be taught to shun you for your political beliefs. Women have lost the right to privacy and many thousands may soon be liable for a charge of murder. We will see our wives, sisters and mothers executed for what will soon be a capital crime, abortion. We will see all in our families made to serve the government and not the other way around, and our government kowtow to mystics and evangelicals.

And those of us who honor freedom will have our freedom taken away, be called traitors, supporters of terrorism, haters of America. We who have sought so long to preserve America, to build on the mandate of building a more perfect union, will be persecuted and finally incarcerated. Our children will be taken away from us to protect them from our way of thinking; our churches will close their backs on us and their teachings become radicalized beyond our recognition. All that we have honored and do honor will become the currency of crass and brutish laughter, ridiculed by infantile puerile minds, willfully wallowing in an adolescence of "me-firstism." The great thoughts of Jefferson and Madison and Lincoln will be transformed by the editors of history until the phrase "we the people" is rewritten to "we the subjects" of an American empire. And that misbegotten empire will chew its way to dust in its own grandeloquence, a government unrestrained by the voice of its people, dying as all such republics have ever died.

The wealth and promise of America has been transferred to an elite who care about neither, except as how it profits them. They laugh and deride us, the few against the many, enforcing their will over us with the threat of armed force and legal sanction. The democracies of the world which were born in inspiration of us may well fear they will eventually reap our fate and, lacking our strength or resolve, turn themselves over to thugs, either domestic or foreign, until all the world is ruled by despots and tyrants - once again.

Our country is now bent on the creation of enemies, not friends, and those enemies will strike us where we are vulnerable most. Our comforts and ease have insulated us from the vulgarity of life that most in the world suffer and we will suffer when those comforts are targetted by those we have enraged. Our security, already crumbling, will be shaken further and nations and armies will sweep forth against us, bolstered by the popular support of a world enraged against us.

The only solution, the only salvation, open to us is the same that faced us in the mid 18th century. To win back our nation, to revive the spirit of America, there must be the cold medicine of arms: actual conflict, the spilling of blood. Civil War.
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Edmond Dantes Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:30 PM
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67. It is a federal felony to advocate the violent overthrow of our
government. The right-wing did not gain control of this country through Civil War. Neither will we.

And you will not entrap anyone here with this blatant attempt to incite DUers to commit a federal felony. Which federal agency do you work for, anyway?

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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:33 PM
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68. You are a fool
When you are sitting in the concentration camp now in your future, be sure to remind your fellow prisoners that it would be wrong to try and escape because your guards have said it is against the rules.
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Edmond Dantes Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:49 PM
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71. ROTFLMAO!!! I saw this coming back in 1992 when I worked
in a high-level office in the US Department of Justice. I tried to warn people back then, but no one believed me.

I'm glad that you finally see the danger, but resorting to violence is not the answer. You will give them an excuse to declare martial law. Is that what you want?
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:00 PM
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76. martial law is already in effect
when the government controls the media, the armed forces and the police. We're all in a cage; some of us, apparently, can't see the bars.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:13 PM
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79. You make a powerful point...
but throwing gasoline won't put out this fire.

Peaceful means for a peaceful world is the answer. It just seems futile at the moment. The cycle of violence and brutality must end...or we all die.
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Edmond Dantes Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:26 PM
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80. Agent Gary007, don't entrap DUers into committing a federal felony
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 02:32 PM by Ewan I Bushwackers
Skinner has worked hard to build this group and I will not stand by idly while you try to tear it apart .

Don't make me pick up the phone.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:34 PM
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69. You first, Mr McVeigh
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:39 PM
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70. THEY have shot abortion doctors; THEY have killed homosexuals
The shooting has already started.
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Edmond Dantes Donating Member (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:50 PM
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72. Do not encourage violence. Period.
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Val Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:58 PM
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74. Where Is William Rivers Pitt ???
I must read his words.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:00 PM
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75. Life goes on.
Bush will continue to screw up. It's just that idiots in America doesn't care.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:02 PM
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77. "Gutless"...
I posted this elsewhere, but...

"Gutless"...Not "Conservative" - This NEW American Agenda.

Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:42 PM by indigobusiness
I'm so sick of this jingoistic apology for all the moral/ethical cowardism so quickly to glommed onto by the safe, easy, "what's good for me-ists" in this flood tide of American selfishness. This is not "Conservatism"...This is "Me-ism"... This is "Fuck You-ism". This is the LOW Road, and we are firmly upon it. It is our chosen path...and we are its chosen fools.

I salute all of you stalwart souls that stood firm and sacrificed so much in your struggle against this (sic) New America. And I fly my flag at half-mast...the America I cherished is dead.


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Angrillori Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:40 PM
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82. Flag's going up upside down today.
Flags's going up upside down today. We are a nation in distress.

I wonder if we can get a movement to fly them at half-staff across the nation...

There HAVE to be enough people upset to get this off the ground.
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:04 PM
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78. stop deleting posts already!!! geez
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