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[batchdem04]

Bush is currently leading in Ohio by 136,221

If there are 250,000 provisional ballots outstanding. The highest number I've seen.

And 90% of those ballots are good, as they were in 2000. That leaves 225,000 votes.

If 85% of those ballots prove to be for Kerry, about the number that Gore got in 2000. That leaves us with 191,250, giving us a lead of 55,029.

If there are only 200,000 provisionals, following the same calculation would leave us with a lead of 16,779.

If the provisional ballots are only 175,000 that leaves us with a deficit of -2,346 that will leaves us in a position to get an automatic statewide recount.

Or, to put it another way, an automatic recount is triggered by a margin of 0.25% or between 13,000 and 16,000 votes

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/95349/1374

[WI_DEM]

1. well lets go for it

[batchdem04]

2. yeah, why not? what do we have to lose

f*ck bush and the media.

we won't go down without a fight

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. If those stats are true, that'd be nice.

[MallRat]

4. What are the chances that 90% of those ballots are good?

Remember: if the voter is eligible, but he/she happened to vote in the right county but the wrong precinct, THE BALLOT IS THROWN OUT.

Ohio SoS Ken Blackwell (R) worked very hard to ensure that this rule was legally enforceable. Now we know why.

That said, I don't think this issue was challenged all the way up the judicial ladder. We have plenty of appeals left.

-MR

[toska]

6. 90% - past elections

Somewhere I heard that 90% of the provisional ballots were deemed valid in the last election.

[ShaneGR]

11. Not very good at all

A good example is Illinois, where only 25% were deemed valid.

[Village Idiot]

5. I hope and pray for this outcome....Maybe then

we can re-examing BBV and Fla!!!

[ksoze]

7. What about absentee and oversea ballotss...

Don't they also have to be counted which *could* add more to Bushs total (particularly the overseas Iraq ones which only needed to postmarked by 11/2).

[debatepro]

8. COUNT THE VOTES

COUNT THEM>

[Ganja Ninja]

16. Count them and Recount them if necessary. n/t

[gasperc]

9. thank god, but what happened to the 120 million turnout

we have to keep this alive,

where are the teams of lawyers, the GOP is going to label us as litigation crazy, so do we take to the streets???

IT CLEAR THE BUSH TEAM IS DOING THERE TYPICAL WE WON CONCEDE ALREADY BULLSHIT!!!!!! TRYING TO GIVE THAT AURA OF INEVIBILITY

HOW DO WE FIGHT IT!!!!!!!!!!!

[AP]

10. Most important Q: which precincts/counties are these provisional ballots..

...in?

[magnolia]

12. Hang in there all!

We need to do Ohio, Florida...anyplace else in question. Right now the media is claiming that the wide popular vote margin is working against Kerry in public opinion. Public opinion can change on a dime. As the counting continues for days, maybe weeks, life goes on...Iraq, death, destruction, beheading, etc. Alot of stuff that started to come out (explosives, Halliburton whistleblower, three more hostages, etc.) got bumped because of the election. If the media does it's job (silly me) and reports news rather than creating theater (I must be dreaming) maybe these idiots who voted for Bush can get a better picture of who he is.

And lets hope that in the coming days the rest of the world rises up to tell us what incredible fools we are!

“SHOOT FOR THE MOON, EVEN IF YOU MISS, YOU’LL LAND AMONG THE STARS.”
Les Brown

We shot for the moon by predicting a landslide and I'm glad we did. Believing that is what has us so energized now. Now let's move forward and land among the stars!

[ps1074]

13. I am sure Team Kerry knows what the situations is

They have the figures of all the provisional ballots. If they think they have a shot - they will fight.

If they think there are not enough ballots left - they will let us know.

I personally don't think there are 250K ballots. More like 160K or so I heard on TV.

[nine30]

14. But we lost the popular vote..

..something we held against them for 4 years. Even if we win OH, how can we be comfortable knowing that we don't have a legit. govt ?

[On Par]

15. As We Saw With Bush in 2000....

...it doesn't matter what the popular vote says.

What amazes me is people voted for so-called wedge-issues over their own best economic interests. If there was ever an election that showcased how dumb the Jesus Juice South is, this election has provided a clear window for viewing.

And it appears the blinding conservative philosophy in Ohio won out over intelligence and massive loss of jobs in that state. What are the people in Cleveland, the poorest city in the nation, thinking?

One thing is an absolute. For the Dems to win in the future, they'll need a candidate from the South or Midwest. I doubt a northern liberal candidate can win anytime in the next generation.

I'm just heart-sick over the loss, and where this country is headed in the next 4 years. Two words people: "Supreme Court."

With a heavy heart.

OP

[Doosh]

18. I agree, southern dems the only way to go

and they have to mask a run to the center. We don't lose much by being pro-gun, pro-god, and anti-gay during the general campaign. Then we can run back to the left if we're elected. That's what Clinton/Gore did in 1992, they were new Democrats. That's what we have to do in 08.

[nine30]

20. We don't give a Flying Fuck about the South !

For all that I care John Kerry is the President of the NORTH, and that Dumb-Ass-Redneck-MotherF***er is the President of the South.

What John Kerry should do during his first term as Presdient of the NORTH, is to stop giving away cash in foreign aid to the south !!

[ToneE]

21. UMMMMM

Uh, what about Indiana, Ohio, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah etc.??

[WilliamPitt]

25. *That*

is why we lost.

[WilliamPitt]

26. dupe

[sr_pacifica]

30. It wasn't just the "jesus juice south" though

The midwest caved into that that fundamentalist crap too.

What I found striking was the urban vs. rural vote. I was looking at returns county by county and the urban areas in the red states were oftentimes the only counties that voted Kerry. Two examples: Nevada and Arizona. Also in Ohio, the industrial urban counties voted for Kerry while the small-town and rural areas voted Bush.

[Karmadillo]

17. We've gotten used to having a govt that won neither the popular or

electoral vote. We could easily learn to muddle through with a govt where Kerry wins one of the two.

[Karenina]

19. Why do you believe that?

Because some corrupt machines were programmed to give that result?

[sr_pacifica]

28. Karma, let the Repugs feel disenchfranchised for once.

Although, I would add it is disturbing to think more than half of the voting public would prefer the shrub for four more agonizing and destructive years.

[lefthandedskyhook]

22. ALERT! A way to fight...

I can't start threads for some reason... please somebody start a topic...

We must check for our names on the voter rolls. If you voted (particularly absentee) and your name is not on the voter roll, then your vote was thrown out. If we discover something big we might still have a chance.

[ToneE]

23. Who said that?

250,000? Dream on---more like 135,000 is more realistic. Add in the Iraqi armed forces votes which will be 70% for Bush---then even if Kerry carried every single vote and every single one was countable he would likely not win even then.

[NVMojo]

24. Does conceding mean a recount ain't gonna happen in Ohio??

[lefthandedskyhook]

27. IIRC, Ohio will finish their counts

Procedures vary by state.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. That's exactly why he shouldn't have conceded. n/t