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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:17 AM
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Should Kerry concede? EVER?
What is the point in "conceding," anyway?

A concession means you give up:

all the time and effort of volunteer and paid staff
every hard-fought vote you've received
any mandate your candidacy might have brought

When a CANDIDATE gives up, he's acting as a surrogate for every one of us and surrendering OUR will. Either way it goes.

Okay, I got NO sleep last night, and I'm a raving lunatic.

I'll be okay!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:17 AM
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1. i hope not. i don't ever want him to concede
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:18 AM
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2. No, I don't think he should ever conced. I don't think any of us
should validate *'s position in any way.
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:19 AM
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3. nope
never - worst case scnerio - senate minority leader
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:19 AM
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4. If Bush does not agree that every vote is worthy of count, then NEVER
then the democrats need to never concede and endorse a democratic process that is suspect. Bush needs to agree to every vote counting, it could go in his favor as well making the margin even larger for him, which is fine, but every vote should be counted regardless.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:19 AM
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5. No, never.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:21 AM
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6. NO concession. NO surrender.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:21 AM
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7. Makes it more difficult for a candidate to run their next campaign
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:45 AM
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13. Why, if the election is justifiably contested? nt
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:22 AM
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8. why should Kerry EVER concede
if he believes the election was stolen from him?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:23 AM
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10. yes, he needs to hang on.
make sure they count every single vote.

They OWE it to us to make sure the overseas absentee ballots, and the Ohio provisional and absentee votes count.

The media is completely fucking up this already fucked up process, and they need to be stopped.
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:22 AM
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9. No
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cause we didn't lose we got Diebolded!
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:25 AM
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11. He's got 11 days...
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:26 AM
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12. No. He should never concede.
Why should he?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:51 AM
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14. Never give up!
If the system was defrauded, the longer he allows the process to work, the more evidence we'll accumulate.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:58 AM
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15. No. Let the dauphin declare himself king.
Time to take the gloves off.

Just as the Ruth Bader Ginsberg wrote "I dissent" rather than the customary "I respectfully dissent" in her election 2000 opinion, our side should give up the "loyal opposition" effort and just oppose.

I hope Kerry will highlight the fact that the Help America Vote Act, conceived (supposedly) to prevent another Florida, did not help America but rather helped:

(1) transfer government money to those manufacturing and selling hackable and unauditable voting machinery, some of whom are big Bush supporters (this is known in common parlance as a boondoggle);

(2) make it impossible to know what the true will of the voters was, aiding those already in power to call for "closure" that just so happens to benefit themselves (this is known as a travesty).

After two protracted and unverifiable elections, this is a national disgrace.

If Bush seizes power without a concession, using legal technicalities, we will at least have the defensible position that the will of the people is unimportant to him, and it will help us in highlighting the problems of another Bush term.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:59 AM
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16. No! Not if there's evidence of fraud.
There's no requirement for concession. He doesn't have to do anything. I'm not interested in bringing the country together by surrendering my voting rights or anyone else's.
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