Kerry did the best he could

[Doosh]

For a northern candidate at least.

But I thought we learned our lesson. Northern Dems just don't win! Yes it was close, yes we had our chance. We seemed more organized, we seemed more enthusiastic.

But it didn't happen!?!?! WHY? Did the evangelical turnout just swamp us? Did most of the young kids stay home?

Let's face it this should not have happened. I just need to disconnect for a while. No TV, no radio, no internet. It's just too damn depressing after all the work we put in.

And please, if we want to win in the future, no more northern Dems at the top of the ticket. Gephardt/Edwards and we probably win it.

[HootieMcBoob]

1. Gephardt is about as wishy washy as they come n/t

[Guaranteed]

2. Shut the fuck up, freeper boy.

Your patronizing tone is bullshit. Get the hell out of here.

[Meritaten1]

3. Kerry hasn't lost this election

The votes have not been counted in Ohio yet.

The media is spinning a Bush victory where none exists yet. (Personally, when the votes are counted, I believe Kerry will be found to have carried Ohio, given the massive turnout.)

[fujiyama]

4. This wasn't Kerry's fault

It wasn't even the democrat's fault necessarily. The party did everything it could. I don't think Edwards, Gep or any other candidate for that matter could have won this. Second guessing the region of the candidate is silly.

We had great candidates for the senate as well. Only one of the competetive races turned out good for us. That was Salazar's. Every other southern state...gone...

Terrible night. But it definetely isn't Kerry's fault. I'd blame gay marriage before much else. The wedge issues stuck.

[TexasSissy]

5. A Gephardt/Edwards ticket would've lost months ago. Trust me on

this. Gephardt is NOT southern. He is considered a YANKEE by the southerners. The reason southern Dems do well is because of a particular style of campaigning and speaking that southerners do - that's not middle America or northern, like Gephardt. Next reason is that southern Dems are centrists, slightly left of center - again, not Gephardt.

Add to that Gephardt's lack of charisma, and it would've spelled doom.

Kerry did exceptionally well, winning all three debates. But apparently slightly more than half the country doesn't want a smart Prez. They care more about false bravado and "values." And the negative campaign run by Bush worked, so that Kerry's values were twisted in the public's eye (those who didn't know him).

[LTR]

6. Kerry ran a strong campaign

He took every sleazy shot fired at him. Bush ran the dirtiest, sleaziest campaign in American history. It was beyond vile.

After the dust settles, we'll see what happens in 2006 (midterms) and 2008.

[RobinA]

16. I Agree

I was the first to say that Gore ran a crap campaign, but I don't know how Kerry could have run a better one than he did. Were mistakes made? Of course, any campaign would have made some mistakes. I still say it comes down to 9/11. Bush has a demonstrated willingness to bomb Arabs - Kerry...who knows. And that what Joe American wants.

[moez]

7. Not all northern candidates would lose...

We just got the second stringer.... it's been painfully obvious for since the primaries ended...

[JI7]

8. that's why Southern Dems did so well in the Senate races

[doc03]

9. I agree. When Kerry was nominated I said he was another MA liberal

like Dukakis with some medals. Over the last 6 months I supported him anyway and hoped he would make it. But from day one I never thought he would win until yesterday afternoon on DU for a short time when everyone was gloating about the exit polls like it was in the bag. His anti-war stance after Vietnam canceled out his military record. He was all over the place on the Iraq war, voted for it, voted against it, then said he would vote for it again. The last couple days here the NRA saturated the airwaves and called everyone claiming he was going to outlaw shotguns and deer ammo. The same goes for the pro-lifers I got several calls from them too. When was the last time a northeastern liberal got elected President? The only time we ever win is when we run a moderate southerner.

[StopTheMorans]

13. please put away your labels and go home

"MA Liberal"? what Democrat ever uses that term?

[doc03]

15. I have been a Democrat all my life. He is from MA and is Liberal

so what do you call him. Gun control, abortion and gay marriage doesn't work in what a lot of you call "fly over country". Like it or not those are just the facts.

[StopTheMorans]

17. look at his positions before you pass judgments my friend

he's not even for gay marriage, as a REAL LIBERAL would be. he's not for all-out gun control (as a liberal would be), only wants to extend the AWB. As for abortion, he's not nearly as far left as he could be. and when did i ever call "fly over country"? sorry, most democrats don't use the terms "MA Liberal" or "fly over country"; those are terms used by the right to: MA Liberal-show disdain for someone who actually has a brain in their head "fly over country"-is used by the right to act like the left "doesn't get" any state or issue between the coasts. use the language, expect to get called on it.

[KittyWampus]

10. Shut Up. If You Can't Recognize Voter FRAUD Then Stop Posting.

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. I liked Kerry. I think he did very well, and may have won for all

we know. But paper ballots and paper newspapers who don't report the news and inform people of all the bad things that the Bush Administration has been doing is going to make it difficult for any Dem to win.

[StopTheMorans]

12. EAT SHIT

n/t

[JHBowden]

14. Gephardt would not have helped.

We'd have 5% going to Nader, given Gephardt's wonderful Rose Garden appearance with the Shrub before the Iraq debacle.

Besides falling asleep on the switft-boat stuff, I believe Kerry performed very well. We were down 10-15 points in January, y'know.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

18. Gephardt??????

Are you FUCKING kidding me?????

We don't need this shit right now. Take it somewhere else. This is totally fucking counterproductive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. JFK Did A Great Job...

He used AWOL as a punching bag in the first debate but I think if the ticket was reversed we might have been more successful...


On the other hand I am in awe of how difficult is for us in the south....

Just in f-ing awe....

[Kahuna]

20. Remember the Swift Boat Liars and Sinclair factor. They cost..

Kerry a lot of votes. We will never know how Kerry would have fared without this massive attack campaign. Kerry probably could have won Ohio decisively without these attacks. The bushes are vicious and ruthless. They would have concocted a smear campaign against any Dem candidate.