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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:58 AM
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How big of a win will it take for the other side not to holler "foul"?
I know 1% or under won't do it, but I'm not sure what is the minimum "safe" win should be. I'd like Kerry to win so decisively that there will be no need for lawyers,etc.

Anybody know what the numbers need to be in order to be "indisputable"?
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:00 AM
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1. A Bush win. Otherwise they'll cry foul.
Kerry could get 80% of the vote. They'd still piss and moan about how it was "stolen" from them and how John Kerry "is not their president".
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:00 AM
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2. Won't matter
Anyplace that is remotely close they will scream and litigate.

Jon Stewert isn't calling his election night show "Prelude to the Recount" just to be funny. :-)

MzPip
:dem:
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:01 AM
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5. Agree. A landslide is the only thing that they might
not question.
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captainjack Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:01 AM
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3. anything >5% margin of victory
which is what i predict will happen, would make the other side shut up.

BUT, they are laying the foundations for complaints of VOTER FRAUD BY THE DEMOCRATS!!! so i think what they'll do is say the democrats STOLE the election, which is why they won by so much. clearly, the polls befor ethe election said the two were in a heated race, how can they pull ahead by so much? must be fraud, SEND IN THE LAWYERS! and fuck up the democratic system.
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billkurtmeyer Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:01 AM
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4. 4 to 5 in the popular vote and at least 30 plus in the electorial
college, but then they will still bitch, complain, cry foul, and don't forget they will begin their second version of "The Hunting of the President" they will spend the next four (no make that eight years) trying to impeach Kerry - it is going to get ugly! These crooks have no shame.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:03 AM
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6. there is no margin big enough
the repukes will sue every outcome for every reason.

plus they have a very large-percentage "fix" in, with the crooked black box voting, fraud and intimidation.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:05 AM
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7. Kerry at 52%
Would be very hard for them to spin, but they will try. I don't see Bush conceding for at least a week no matter what the tally.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:05 AM
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8. I don't "know" but I suspect 5% or more
I don't think it's knowable given the animus each side has for the other. I think if either candidate gets 5% or better margin of victory it would be hard to mount a serious legal challenge.

If Bush gets a 5% or better margin of victory, that'll end it. If Kerry does, who knows? I don't think Rove/Cheney will give up power easily.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:08 AM
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9. That's a loaded question.
Would you accept a 93% for * to be a clearly stated mandate? As divided as this nation is at this point, anyone winning by less than 5% or by more than 25% would have to be suspect.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:08 AM
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10. 5% margin will get the republican party
to reign in the neocons and admit defeat.

Then again, I thought they'd reign them in before the Iraq war. :(
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:10 AM
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11. Its about the state votes now
The national popular vote will not matter a whit. It is all about how Kerry does in the state by state tallies. He has to get clear margins in each "battleground" state or surprise flip states (like Virginia). The possibility of litigation won't be based on the national vote. Rather, it will be based on discrepancies/issues in one precinct or another. If the state tallies go to Kerry in a way that is clear and decisive such that all contested votes, even if they go to Bush, would still not change the outcome, then no one can cry foul.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 12:00 PM
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13. Thanks. I understand now. If all contested votes were to go to Bush, he
would still lose. That is as clear and concise as you can get.

Now, we'll hqve to get a crowbar to pry him out of the WH. :)
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:20 AM
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12. It doesn't matter. There are already cases filed, over ballots,

registrations, etc etc. And it is not realistic to suppose that there will not be more.
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