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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:44 AM
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(Novak) Zogby flip flops now say's Bush will win
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 11:01 AM by demdem
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Here's how Bob Novak begins his column: "Pollster John Zogby surprised the political world back in April with a long-range prediction that John Kerry would defeat George W. Bush for president. On Monday this week, Zogby told me, he changed his mind. He now thinks the president is more likely to be re-elected because he has reinforced support from his base, including married white women." http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/2870371
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:44 AM
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1. Novak lied
Zogby was on CNBC yesterday sayign Kerry will win.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:49 AM
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14. Novak lied? C'monnnnnnnnn.
Robert Novak? Lied? You take that back, you awful awful lib'rul! Robert Novak would never lie!
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 11:23 AM
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29. Today's Zogby news release shows Novak just up and lied
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=911

Is there a single thing in the release that is consistent with what Novak said?

And how come there isn't a single set of quotation marks--or even a time and place where this statement occurred?
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LiberteToujours Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:45 AM
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2. More likely than Kerry?
Or more likely than he was in April? The article doesn't state, and you can be sure that if Novak isn't clear in his language there's a reason.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:46 AM
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8. Do you have the link to the article?
I would like to read it.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:45 AM
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3. Another stupid fucking move
Novak is fucking worthless much like the rest of his shit ilk.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:46 AM
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4. Bob Novak?
I wouldn't believe a word he says. I bet Zogby said "IF he solidifies" which whorish traitor and outer of covert agents for political gain Novak "edited" to suit his lords and masters.
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:46 AM
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5. Or Zogby could be playing Novak and righties...
try to, ahem depress the vote.

Zogby ain't for Bush, probably.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:46 AM
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6. Zogby himself has denied Novak's claim
Last night on TV he said he was sticking with his original prediction that Kerry would win
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:46 AM
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7. Who The Fuck Is Zogby...
Remember what Larry Flynt said about opinions...
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:48 AM
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12. Zogby is a well known and used pollster. Anyway, this source is Novak.
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 10:53 AM by w4rma
The man who outed a CIA agent and refuses to tell the authorities who leaked her name (which was done for political spite). Never ever ever trust Novak. And if you think it might be right, then you should definitely bypass him and check his source directly (which in this case is John Zogby).
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:50 AM
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15. His Opinion Isn't Any Better Or Worse Than Another Informed Opinion...






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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:48 AM
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13. Zogby is...
...the most accurate pollster out there.

The point here is that Novak lied and Zogby said no such thing.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:51 AM
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21. He Was The Most Inaccurate Pollster In 2002
http://www.ncpp.org/2002SenGovPoll/2002ElectionPolls.html


Novak is a douche bag but you miss my larger point...
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:56 AM
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26. True
Zogby did poorly in individual state polls in 2002, but his presidential record is unmatched. The unfortunate thing for us is that in 2002 Zogby's error was to incorrectly pick Democrats to win.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 05:23 PM
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32. Only Democrats didn't show up at the polls. Not a problem this time.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:47 AM
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9. Novak should work out a pardon deal
before there's a new Attorney General
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:47 AM
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10. Bullshit! Zogby said last week in Singapore that Kerry would be 44th pres
I'll look for the article. Novak is full of it.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:48 AM
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11. I was almost upset.
Then I read the source of this information. Novak is a worthless traitor who should be thrown in jail. As Jon Stewart has often said, he is a douche.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:50 AM
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16. DEBUNKED LAST NIGHT
Zogby was on CNBC calling it for Kerry last night. Novack is an idiot and a tratior.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:50 AM
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17. Here's Zogby's report from Monday.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=905

I really don't see anything in there about changing his mind. I realize he could have said something outside of that, but I would think he'd put it there as well.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:51 AM
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18. Hi, demdem
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 10:51 AM by mvd
Maybe you should edit your topic title to make clear that this is an unsubstantiated claim from Novak. Thanks. :hi:
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:51 AM
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19. It was Novak who said,not Zogby. Lose the subject title.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:51 AM
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20. check his bank accounts
and see the Karl Rove checks deposited from Cayman Island banks
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Fed Up Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:52 AM
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22. Craig Crawford said Bush will lose too. (Congressional Quarterly).
It's getting late for all these new polls, isn't it?


It's like you're about to go to the casino and play the tables, but your wife says "Let's play these home casino games first."

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:52 AM
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23. Zogby is an advisor to the Kerry campaign
i doubt Novak.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:55 AM
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25. Zogby is not tied to Kerry
He is personally a Dem, but he keeps that out of his professional analysis, as far as I can tell.
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Tim_in_HK Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:53 AM
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24. I don't listen to traitors who expose our spys,
and I would suggest you do the same.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:56 AM
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27. Novak probably asked Zogby if Bush had a chance to win
and Zogby said yes, so Novak twisted that.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 11:07 AM
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28. "reinforced support from his base"
That must have been before his statement in support of civil unions for gays.
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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 11:27 AM
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30. Zogby will be on the Daily Show tonight, I seem to recall.
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 11:28 AM by Buck Rabbit
Guess we will see then.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 05:12 PM
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31. Can someone report back what Zogby says on the Daily Show?
Please make a post once you know what he says.
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