Will Dean be the first to lose ALL 50 states?

[Dookus]

Dean won his last governor's race by a ratio of 50.4% to 40.6%.

Is it possible that a man who lead an all-white state should be able to gain the votes of the rest of America?

I don't think so. I think if Dean is the nominee, we may well lose 50 states. Dean barely won Vermont - why should we think he would win any other state?

[villager]

1. When did a 10% margin become "barely?"

And didn't Dean win a lot of non-white votes in the DC straw vote earlier this evening?

[Dookus]

19. what ten percent margin are you referring to?

it's a .06% margin

[virtualobserver]

27. 50.4% minus 40.6% is 9.8% , not .06%

[AnnitaR]

2. No. Dean will not lose ALL 50.

I'm not a fan of the guy, but I give him some credit here.

Can he win? I don't think so. Will it be that big of a landslide? I don't think so.

[Gore1FL]

3. No

Sorry but the anti-posts here are bad enough, but this is not even supportable speculation. Maryland shows Dean way ahead of Bush, and the Iowa hasn't happened yet.

[ulysses]

4. obviously so.

It's clearly valid to extrapolate one set of election results from Vermont to the rest of the nation.

:eyes:

[kayleybeth]

5. Aw, c'mon Dookus

I know how frustrated you are with what's been going on around here lately (I am too), but let's not sink to their level, okay? Your question is one many of us share, but this thread can't possibly encourage any kind of civil discussion. Let's take the high road whenever we can. How about it? :-)

[Crunchy Frog]

8. I agree with you, and

I apologize for my last post. It just shows how the atmosphere here can really mess with your head. I've tried to be very civil in my postings, but like Dookus, I've just about lost it.

However, I think my last post was uncalled for. Thank you for being a voice of sanity kayleybeth.

[Crunchy Frog]

6. I honestly don't know

I don't think that the possibility can be ruled out, but we will just have to wait and see what happens.

Frankly, if it does happen there are people here who will get absolutely no sympathy from me, even if they happen to find themselves on the wrong end of a draft board.

I have been holding off on saying what I really think during the primary process, but I promise no such restraint if Dean gets the nomination and we lose in a landslide.

[Padraig18]

7. Don't be ridiculous!

Not only will he not lose all 50, but there is no evidence whatsoever that would lead one to even speculate that he might do so. :eyes:

[Dookus]

13. well....

first of all, you should probably contain yourself with the "eyes".

Second...

tell me why I should believe Dean can win big when he BARELY won his last election - among white middle-class people.

Is Dean really capable of winning the votes of southerners? of blacks?

I don't think so.

[Maddy McCall]

15. Dookus, what is even more disturbing is his downward trend in VT

Elected Governor in 1992 with 75% of the vote after serving as Lieutenant Governor, Dean was re-elected every two years (Vermont is one of the few states that still has a two year Governor's term) with 68.69%; 70.50%; 55.66% and 50.45%.

That is a disturbing downward trend. Does this mean that the more VT voters learned about him the fewer of them supported him?

[Dookus]

18. exactly jchild....

the people who know Dean best like him least.

The people who know Clark best like him best.

God help us all if Dean is the nominee. He may not lose 50 states. But he WILL lose 47 states.

It will be the bigget blowout in history. It will give GWB legitimacy.

[jsw_81]

31. That's ridiculous

Howard Dean was elected to statewide office eight times in a row. He has never lost an election.

Meanwhile, your guy was out there voting for Reagan and attending GOP fundraisers. And he's the one you want us to nominate?!? Dream on! Clark will be lucky to get vp.

[Printer70]

9. Self-inflicted wound: parroting conservative talking points

I don't care if you want to criticize Dean, but we do ourselves a disservice when promoting the "electability" myth circulated by the Right. Their strategy has never been to INCLUDE more voters in the process so they can't understand the Dean phenomenon.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. I've been talking with non-political junkies

who don't even know the names of all the Democratic nominees. They are saying they will vote for anyone but Bush, but are afraid that no Dem has the strength to defeat the Shrub. Posts and talk like this help the GOP, and go a long way to discourage voters.

Instead of defeatist talk, why not start a thread called, "How we can WIN all 50 states"? Place your candidate's name in the text and explain why he/she can do it. Or ask for ideas how we can help. That is constructive, and doesn't lend to the atmosphere of defeat that the mainstream media is carefully crafting.

[newsjunkie]

11. sure he can,because

he's smart,honest,and passionate about helping America do better... running against an incompetent unelected chronic liar whos stupid idiology has gotten many innocent people killed unnecessarily.

[CWebster]

12. Like in Washington DC?

Slightly different demographics than Vermont.

[Dookus]

16. slightly different? VERY different....

but if Dean could only win reelection by .04 percent.....

in an all white state

and he oppposed an MLK holiday....

and he had no blacks in his cabinet....

over 12 years....


why exactly should the rest of America vote for him?


ps: we have no idea what's in his hidden records

[Gore1FL]

17. Where I went to school in Missouri

We learned that 50.4 - 40.6 = 9.8.

What state did they teach that 50.4 - 40.6 = .04 ??

[jsw_81]

32. He's talking about the silly VT rule that the governor must win a majority

But even still, Dean won by TEN POINTS in his closest race.

[Gore1FL]

30. Oh and BTW

he didn;t oppose the MLK holiday. He opposed making it a paid holiday for state employees. You may take issue with that, but to paint him as a racists for not wanting to give a day off is, well, pretty weak.

You contend that there were no blacks on his cabinet, this is false. however if it was an all white state, then would he not have to ship minorities in to serve on his cabinet? Seems extreme.

If you have a point,, make it, but please try to support it with other than misleading, false, or otherwise non-sequitor infomration.

[JasonDeter]

14. Why do you think the Democratic candidates are fighting so hard?

Becuase they (Dean, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards) know they can beat the most hated man on the planet the moron himself bush* So put a lime in da coconut and drink them both together and you feel better and call me in the morning and I'll tell you what to do. Isn't that a great song by Harry Neilson? Lime In The Coconut.

[alphafemale]

21. Exactly.

And I'd add Clark to that list as well.

[wyldwolf]

20. He might win Vermont. But I doubt it.

[Gore1FL]

23. Link

I am sure you have some basis for your anti- opinions, but I am unable to find anything remotely related to relaty in your assessment.

Please provide a link to the materials that you based your conclusions on so that I may be better armed with the elusive infomration you are basing this assesment on.

You know what really sucks -- I am undecided and have defended each candidate against these siilly-assed strident attacks.

[jsw_81]

33. You "doubt" that Dean will win Vermont?

:eyes:

[stickdog]

22. Yes. That's why Joe is the only answer.

Clark's never won elective office -- why should we think he can win a single state?

[IndianaGreen]

24. Dean "lead an all-white state"?

Is it possible that a man who lead an all-white state should be able to gain the votes of the rest of America?

If Vermont is all-white, why did we have that brouhaha from Sharpton about Dean not having a minority in the cabinet?

The anti-Dean folks can't even coordinate their attacks!

[ClintonTyree]

25. How many elections............

has Clark won? Just interested.

[bowens43]

26. Better to lose with a Democrat

then win with a neo-con.

[rucky]

28. That's The Spirit!

[TreasonousBastard]

29. I don't much like Dean, but...

I don't buy into this.

Governors and mayors tend not to age well like good wine. The longer they are in office, the more they tend to piss people off and their numbers tend to go down. It's just a fact of life that even popular people like Ed Koch and Mario Cuomo, to give two examples, tend to wear out their welcomes. Too many minefields to cross, and eventually you step on one.

It doesn't work that way for legislators, but so it goes.

I do, however, wonder if the kind of support he's getting in the primaries could translate into a national win. It just seems like there's no "there" there. He may be a fighter, but so was Don Quixote.

It'll be a lot of work to get this guy elected against an incumbent who really isn't hated as much as we would like to think.

Of course, it will be a lot of work to get anyone elected against the odds we're up against.

[SheilaT]

34. Dean got 43 percent of the votes

in the DC primary, followed by Al Sharpton who got 34 percent, according to the CNN website this morning.

Obviously Dean has no support among African Americans.

[Skinner]

35. This is inflammatory

Locking.