McCurry challenge to Bush: Is Pat Robertson telling the truth or not?

[flpoljunkie]

The American people deserve an answer. Did Bush really say to Pat Robertson that there "won't be any casualities in Iraq."

[Mojambo]

1. This is a powerful line of attack

It provides the reason why there was so little preparation for the after-conflict and it hits at Bush's overconfidence and faux-bravado.

I like it.

[MindPilot]

5. It also illuminates the incredible illogic in their thinking

Saddam has nu-kew-ler weapons, chemical and biological weapons; he can hit major US cities in less than an hour! Imminent threat!! We must invade now to protect the American people and the whole world!!!

Casualites? Naw, there won't be any.

I'm sorry. Did I say thinking? What this adminstration does doesn't even come close to thinking.

[Catfight]

2. If Bush said this it proves he doesn't accept reality and creates a world

of his own based on fairy tales. How can you go to war and think there will not be causalities, UNLESS he is saying Iraqi's don't count as "REAL" people?

[LuminousX]

3. Rock and a Hard Place

Either call Pat Robertson a liar or admit to extreme hubris.

[Texas_Dem]

13. "admit to extreme hubris"- you are too kind

It is ignorance and arrogance

[troublemaker]

4. Is this something McCurry actually said, or a wish, or what?

[The Magistrate]

8. Mr. McMurry Has Said It, Sir

It is a devastating line of attack.

Not only does it demonstrate the criminal idiocy of the Crawford coward, it is conclusive proof he and hois advisors knew there were no stocks of chemical and biological weapons in Hussein's arsenals, and knowingly lied to the people when they stated otherwise, for if there were any real worry such weapons might be used against U.S. troops, the statement would never have been made.

"Truth will out."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[cosmicaug]

10. McMurry

The Magistrate wrote:

Mr. McMurry Has Said It, Sir

Dou you have a link to McMurry admitting to this?

TIA

[AspenRose]

12. Several threads on it now, including the links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1121377

[cosmicaug]

17. Missattribution?

DesertedRose kindly provided the following link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1121377

All I found of relevance was the link to a Newswire release which provided the following quote attributed to McCurry:

"We believe President Bush should get the benefit of the doubt here but he needs to come forward and answer a very simple question: Is Pat Robertson telling the truth when he said you didn't think there'd be any casualties or is Pat Robertson lying?"

Unfortunately, this has to me the look of a misattribution as it seems more like a question posed to McCurry than any likely sort of answer by him.

[cosmicaug]

25. MY MISTAKE!

I guess I must have been a little out of it. I mixed up McCurry with McClellan.

[Hans Delbrook]

27. EEEWWWW

Don't do that ;-)

[The Magistrate]

16. My Apologies, Sir

My intent was to type that Mr. McCurry had actually issued such a challenge....

"No fool like an old fool."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[grasswire]

20. this deserves wide dissemination

Magistrate: Not only does it demonstrate the criminal idiocy of the Crawford coward, it is conclusive proof he and hois advisors knew there were no stocks of chemical and biological weapons in Hussein's arsenals, and knowingly lied to the people when they stated otherwise, for if there were any real worry such weapons might be used against U.S. troops, the statement would never have been made.

Perfect logic. You must start a thread with this stated concisely.

[KittyWampus]

6. Would A Good Christian Like Robertson LIE?

especially about the anointed one- George Jr.?

It pains me to call Robertson a good Christian.. but this is damning as it Condi wasting time campaigning when she should be paying attention to national security.

[AntiCoup2K4]

22. You did hit on a good point though.

Imagine if Junior DID say Pat Robertson was lying.

Oops there goes the "Christian" Coalition support. Most of those types would never consider voting for Kerry, but they won't vote for Junior either, if he openly mocks their prophet.

[cosmicaug]

7. Pat Robertson is not a member of the reality based community.

As I've commented elsewhere, it's a sad day if Pat Robertson can be shown to have a firmer hold on reality than the president of the United States.

[Old and In the Way]

9. It is an untenable contradiction in light of the extreme urgency

that Bush put on the threat. The WH has to be asked this question....if they dispute Pat's contention, one of these Christians is a flat out liar.

[MatrixEscape]

11. Since Robertson and a small

handful of similar folks could be called Bush's "Soul", (well, if you can imagine him having one) then something is going on here.

I am trying to figure out why, even though he still supports Bush as the Chimp of God, he would play this to the base?

Speculation? Robertson smells a lose and is rallying already. He could be preparing a new mind wash for the next phase. When Bush loses the election, the Religious Right's leaders are going to have to do some major spin to work the base -- damage control.

We may be seeing the first step in Roberton's remarks.

Edit: Oh, didn't Robertson say that God said that Bush would win this election? I think that was a while back.

[MatrixEscape]

15. Yup ...

I think Robertson is getting ready to cover his ass!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107258,00.html

"I think George Bush is going to win in a walk," Robertson said on his "700 Club" program on the Virginia Beach-based Christian Broadcasting Network (search), which he founded. "I really believe I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election in 2004. It's shaping up that way."

The Lord as agitprop! I love how Pat works the crowd.

[cosmicaug]

18. I don't thinks so.

MatrixEscape wrote:

Speculation? Robertson smells a lose and is rallying already. He could be preparing a new mind wash for the next phase. When Bush loses the election, the Religious Right's leaders are going to have to do some major spin to work the base -- damage control.

We may be seeing the first step in Roberton's remarks.

I don't think Pat smells a loss. Pat Robertson has made such statements that make Bush look bad in the past (there's one I have in mind but I can't think of it of the top of my head). It's pretty much his modus operandi to make really stupid statements every now and then.

MatrixEscape wrote:

Edit: Oh, didn't Robertson say that God said that Bush would win this election? I think that was a while back.

Yes he did (something like that, anyway).

[belle]

23. Yes, that is his M.O. Somewhere there's a list of his better howlers...

Ah, here:

Pat: not the brightest bagel in the box.

http://www.valleyskeptic.com/stupid~1.htm#robertson

"These are actually chunks of lung itself being coughed up. I don't understand exactly what it is, but God has healed you right now. Amen."

"The New York Times reports that evangelist Pat Robertson, who will announce in two weeks whether he will run for the presidency, claims he can pray away bad weather. ... Robertson said in a recent interview that his prayers to keep Hurricane Gloria away from Virginia Beach last June had been successful, which was 'extremely important because I felt, interestingly enough, that if I couldn't move a hurricane, I could hardly move a nation.' ... Robertson said that if the hurricane had come ashore, he would have seen it as a sign from above to abandon his presidential ambitions."


and of course, the famous one:

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women.  It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."- Pat Robertson

[Fed Up]

14. Pat finally said something that makes sense.

You got to wonder, though, didn't Pat see what repercussions his statement would cause?

I mean, imagine being at a family reunion and you tell everybody something embarrassing about your mother or father. Probably get a black eye.

[central scrutinizer]

19. he's not the sharpest tool in the shed

The light is on but nobody is home
The elevator doesn't go to the top floor...

so he could say almost anything including that 9/11 is God's way of punishing those liberal gays in NYC

[cosmicaug]

21. Understatement.

central scrutinizer wrote:

he's not the sharpest tool in the shed

You, sir, have a gift for understatement!

[librechik]

24. this little critter is sprouting legs and wings!

We are getting an 1/2 hourly repeat of the Robertson clip on CNN (They love their own tape!)

Is it on MSNBC or the networks yet? How about Fix? Don't they love the Reverend Pat?

[Rose Siding]

26. Here's McCurry's quote (and McClellan's) link

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=2&u=/ap/20041020/ap_on_el_pr/bush_robertson

Scott McClellan: "Of course, the president never made such a comment."

.........

Mike McCurry: "We believe President Bush should get the benefit of the doubt here, but he needs to come forward and answer a very simple question — was Pat Robertson telling the truth when he said he didn't think there'd be any casualties or is Pat Robertson lying?"