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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:12 PM
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10/16 Time Poll: Presidential Race Deadlocked
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 01:17 PM by unfrigginreal
Saturday, Oct. 16, 2004
Kerry Seemed More Presidential During Debates, But Bush Still Viewed as Stronger Commander-in-Chief

The race for the White House remains deadlocked, 48% for George W. Bush and 46% for John Kerry, among likely voters, according to a TIME Poll taken Oct. 14-15, 2004.

Almost 1 in 3 voters (30%) said the debates made them more likely to vote for Kerry, compared to only 17% more likely to vote for Bush.

Registered voters gave Kerry the overall debate win 57% - 27% over Bush. Bush lost the final debate Wednesday by a 9 point margin, 37% - 28%. (Bush lost the first debate by 36 points, 59% - 23%.)

Bush's job approval has continued to slip since the first debate and now stands at 49% approve - 49% disapprove. This marks second week in a row that Bush has dipped under 50% approval rating in the TIME magazine poll.

http://www.time.com/time/election2004/article/0,18471,725047,00.html


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Methodology

This Time Magazine poll was conducted by telephone October 14-15, 2004 among a random sample of 1131 adults throughout America. The random sample includes 1000 reported registered voters and 865 likely voters. The margin of error for registered voters is approximately +/-3 percentage points. The margin of error for likely voters is approximately +/- 4% points.

# Likely voters reported party identifications are: 36% Democrat, 35% Republican, 21% Independents.
# Registered voters party affiliations are: 37% Democrat, 32% Republican, 23% Independent.


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In the article Kerry leads Bush on More Presidential 49-44 and More Believable 48-44
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:13 PM
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1. It's more like Kerry 48% and Bush 46%!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:19 PM
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9. I Think This Poll Is Closer To Reality
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 01:19 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
but their likely voter model doesn't include enough Dems...


They have it:

36% Dem


35% Rep...


I believe our edge will be as great or greater as it was in 00 which I believe was four percent...
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:40 PM
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read my lips
The 48-46 did NOT include leaners in which Kerry is leading by 10. Add the leaners and Kerry is up 2-3.
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:13 PM
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2. yyyesssss!!!!!! Great news!!!
Thx!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:14 PM
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3. Bush loses 3 debates
screws up the country and 48% of the people want him back in the White House.

This is just nuts.

MzPip
:dem:
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:15 PM
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5. mzpip - did you think this would be a blowout?
why?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:43 PM
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15. Not a blowout
but certainly not this close. I figured Bush would get his base but 48%? No way.

This attitude that is reflected in the polls of "I think the country is going in the wrong direction, Iraq sucks and the economy is a mess but I'm voting for the Boy King anyway," shows such a disconnect.

I know I live in a bubble that is the San Francisco Bay Area where my housecat could beat Bush. It's like being on another planet, I think.

MzPip
:dem:


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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:17 PM
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6. 48% is going to be shrubs ceiling...
48% is kerry's floor...time will tell.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:18 PM
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7. Its the incumbent, and me big warrior thing
48% will not return him to the whitehouse. He's going to need more than that. Cheer up. :)
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:24 PM
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12. Amazing...
But there have been letters to the editor acknowledging that Bush is a dim bulb but the writers are voting for him anyway...


In every decision whether it's hiring an accountant or laywer, or going to the doctor most folks will invariably choose the smart guy... Only when choosing a pres do folks throw that criterion out the window....
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:15 PM
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4. Holy Shiite!
He's goin down folks, there will much celebration. :)
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ksoze Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:18 PM
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8. Stronger Commander-in-Chief????
How could a CiC do worse? Who are these voters?

Maybe "stronger" is the wrong word to use in these polls. Somehow, 'sronger" has replaced smarter for many voters who assume that blind. blunt force will prevail. I can maybe buy voters thinking the debate-runner-up is a man's man and all that stuff, but has this guy made ONE single good foreign move that makes him a memorable CiC?
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:50 PM
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16. Stronger means "more likely to kill Moslems...
...., epecially on my TV, so I can go "Hoo-Ah! USA! USA!" when they roll the gun camera video on CNN".

So Bush wins that one...
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:20 PM
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10. And this is TIME.
That means even worse things are afoot for the temporary pretzeldent...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:22 PM
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11. A lowly 49% approval and Kerry more likable. Buy bye Chimp-boy!
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:25 PM
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13. 36% Democrat, 35% Republican
sampled less Dems, less indies and more repukes. We're ahead
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:25 PM
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14. Good news!
Wish it was better, but I'll take it after some recent polls. :bounce:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:53 PM
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17. Unbelievable! They find Kerry superior on most issues, including
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 01:53 PM by saracat
likability( who they would have a beer with!) and yet they would still vote for Bush! Why? I just don't get it!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:35 PM
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18. Terror, Terror, Fear, Fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's why! They have been made afraid by little Hitler himself (Bush)!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:40 PM
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19. Or Goebbels Propaganda machine! Oh ! Yes.
the freepers will probably grab this post as evidence of how bad we are. They loathe Hitler references to Bush!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:46 PM
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20. Too bad. FReepers have no problem calling us "traitors" and....
accusing John Kerry of being sympathetic to the Terrorists!

"Not so" Free Republic can F*%# itself!

:mad:
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:20 PM
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21. Any one visit free republic? Do you see their viewpoint?
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:30 PM
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22. Time Poll details, for what they're worth. Somehow we have more likely
voters than registered voters. Not sure how that works out.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Polls/Time-Trended_Data-2004-10-.pdf
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:34 PM
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23. People who didn't vote in 2000
which is why it was so close, maybe? Traditionally Dem voters who realized failing to vote in 2000 was a mistake and intend, at this point, to vote this year, I mean. I know at least one who didn't vote in 2000 because they weren't thrilled with Al Gore; they know this year thrill ain't all it's about, so they'll vote this year when they didn't in 2K.
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