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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:47 PM
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would it kill these guys to....
talk about george bush instead of each other?

I don't want to know how bad a candidate another democrat would make I want to know what would make each candidate a better president than george bush (other than the simple fact that they are NOT george bush.... which is obvious).

we are giving THEM what they want when we fight amongst ourselves.
I agree with nina totenburg (sp?) when she said that by not dropping out certain candidates are depriving the candidate most likely to beat george bush of the attention needed to wake up the electorate.
My state's primary is feb. 10 and I still don't know who I will vote for..... I like john edwards because (as far as I can see) he is the only candidate talking about bush instead of howard dean.

We forget, Howard Dean IS NOT the enemy.... bush is!
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:48 PM
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1. Woo, woo!
Amen, my friend!
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:49 PM
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2. You might go
check out any of the number of links to Clark press releases or articles about his campaign appearances. It's pretty much all Bush, all the time. He rarely mentions the other candidates by name.

If his campaign team mentions some of the other candidates more often than the Edwards' campaign does, they are usually responding to one attack or another from Lieberman, Dean or Kerry.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:06 PM
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8. I will go to his site...
I appreciate anyone who actually remembers why we struggle.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:08 PM
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9. However, Clark's supporters are just as nasty as anyone else
Be sure to read Clark supporter posts and his blog
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:25 PM
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15. Yep.
It's not lie that Clark has his share of misguided, even immature, supporters who lose sight of the big picture. It's sad but true of most of the campaigns. I try not to let it affect how I feel about the candidates because, after all, it's really not their fault.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:50 PM
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3. I think you're wrong
It's pretty clear by looking at this site that Howard Dean IS the enemy. And some people won't let go of that doctrine until it is too late.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:09 PM
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10. And that....
would insure a bush victory in Nov.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:18 PM
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12. Yeah
tell it to those with Dean on the Brain. Those guys are the best players on Bush's team.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:50 PM
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4. Primaries = time to point out their differences with each other
I think you're thinking of the GE.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:50 PM
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5. The Linn County, Iowa Democratic event was great on Saturday...
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 12:51 PM by helleborient
It was broadcast twice Saturday evening on CSPAN

Dean, Kerry, Kucinich, and Edwards all spoke. It was not a debate. They spoke individually, said very little about each other and all were good. They all strongly criticized Bush.

I was in Burlington, Iowa campaigning with 4 other people from my hometown in central Illinois and we were all glued to the coverage. We all thought all 4 came off well. We were obviously biased in favor of Dean, but we all agreed we have a very strong group of candidates!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:52 PM
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6. Howard should have thought of that a year ago
He's had a field day distorting the records of the other candidates and basing his entire campaign raging against all of them. He's even swooped up Clark as a pro-war candidate. And by the way, complaining about other campaigns attacking is an attack.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:55 PM
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7. Unfortunately, at various times, all have supporters who have stooped
To the same level.

It seems your saying Kerry supporters and others, however, can't help but stoop to the same level. Sounds like an excuse to me.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:13 PM
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11. When you rage against the insider's status quo status
and certain members of the insider status quo take umbrage at being called out on thier pathetic * ass kissing and being parts of the problem and not the solution, well ...

I glad Dean doesn't come to YOU for advice.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:18 PM
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13. Gore, Bradley, Harkin
Please, this insider bullshit is a campaign strategy. It isn't REAL. None of these candidates voted exactly the same on every issue. Howard is no more against the majority of the policies than any individual candidate. Howard was to the right of Clinton in the nineties on most of the policies he rails against. It's phony. It's snake oil. It's smoke and mirrors. Look at the issues, not the hyperbolic campaign rhetoric.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:20 PM
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14. By wallowing in saying we NEED an insider, Kerry seems to believe it...
He has consistently in the past few months tried to draw a distinction between himself and Howard Dean by referring to himself as the insider we need in these dire times of dealing with Iraq.

Maybe Kerry didn't create the insider/outsider distinction, but he is playing along looking for his own advantage.
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:32 PM
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17. If Howard Dean asks someone for the time...
...you call it an attack on measurements.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:29 PM
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16. Kerry goes after Bush
Just because the teevee doesn't report it, doesn't mean he's not doing it. Since Jan 6:

"Mr. President, it should not be, and would not be, necessary to shut down the program, or even impose loan limitations, if the Administration had requested sufficient funding in its budgets, responsibly monitored lending, and acted in a timely way to adjust to the growing demand for 7(a) loans," the democrats wrote. "Because of this mismanagement, each year the Congress has been forced to bail out the Agency with additional appropriations, and sometimes with emergency legislation."

This is not the first time small businesses have faced losing R&D dollars through the MDA. Two years ago, Senator Kerry successfully fought attempts to cut in half SBIR funds for small businesses through the Agency. Kerry's actions saved high-tech firms from losing an estimated $74 million in R&D funds each year."

Des Moines, Iowa -- “These are very serious charges by a former high ranking Administration official. We already knew the Administration failed to focus on the threat from Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda. We already knew the Administration broke every promise they made to work through the U.N., use the resolution to enforce inspections, build a coalition, and plan for peace. But Secretary O’Neill’s revelations would mean the Administration never intended to even try to keep those promises. It would mean they were dead-set on going to war alone since almost the day they took office and deliberately lied to the American people, Congress, and the world. It would mean that for purely ideological reasons they planned on putting American troops in a shooting gallery occupying an Arab country almost alone. The White House needs to answer these charges truthfully because they threaten to shatter their already damaged credibility as never before.”

Des Moines, IA – “Today, in his radio address President Bush had the audacity to tell the nation that his tax cuts for the wealthy “got this economy going again.” It’s just more proof that President Bush’s former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill was right. As this Bush-league, jobless recovery continues, George Bush looks at the economy like “a blind man in a room full of deaf people.”

John Kerry issued the following statement today about the Labor Department's proposed rule:

"Today, we learned that George Bush's Labor Department published its own 'how to' guide for big business to avoid paying workers the overtime pay they've earned.
"When will the Bush Administration devise a 'how to' plan to put people back to work; a 'how to' plan to create jobs; or a "how to" plan to save manufacturing jobs."
"George Bush has made a clear choice. He's chosen to pad profits over letting workers keep the pay they've earned. He's chosen to restrict extra income by restricting overtime. He's taken the side of big corporations over the side of working and out of work Americans.
"It's time we had a President who fought on the side of American workers instead of turning his back on them."

http://blog.johnkerry.com/
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