NO ONE VOTED FOR WAR...GEEEEEZ already!!!!

[LynnTheDem]

WHY do so many people, INCLUDING DEES, have so much trouble understanding what's so damn SIMPLE???

NO ONE voted for war.

The vote was for a resolution for use of forse...AS A LAST RESORT READ THE GOD DAMN RESOLUTION ALREADY IT SAYS SO RIGHT THERE IN BLACK & WHITE GEEEEZ!!!!

bush said he wanted the resolution to FORCE SADDAM HUSSEIN into allowing the UN weapons inspectors back into Iraq. And IF Hussein said no, or IF he said yes & then dicked around, THEN...LAST RESORT...THEN there would be use of force.

Again...bush said he wanted the BIG STICK to use as a THREAT, to FORCE HUSSEIN into allowing the UN weapons inspectors back into Iraq.

And ya know what???

IT WORKED.

But then BUSH FUCKED US ALL. bush KICKED OUT the UN teams when all they wanted was 90 days to finish their work.

BUSH VIOLATED HIS OWN RESOLUTION TO USE FORCE ONLY AS A LAST RESORT.

Kerry & Edwards believe presidents should have the authority to USE FORCE AS A LAST RESORT. But they both agree that BUSH DID NOT DO THAT.

GOT IT already?????!!!! It just AIN'T THAT DIFFICULT TO GET!

[kokomo]

1. What was it about Bush that made him so TRUSTWORTHY all of sudden?

We knew he lied and cheated all of his life, stole the election from Gore. Why did JFK oppose Poppy Bush's war yet trust Junior?

[LynnTheDem]

3. They DIDN'T HAVE to trust him; the RESOLUTION spelled it all out.

Do you really think forcing UN weapons inspectors back into Iraq was WRONG?

It was the ONLY right thing bush has ever done in his entire pathetic little life, forcing the UN teams back in.

And his resolution spelled out very clearly use of force ONLY AS A LAST RESORT.

Even when you despise the bastard, there are times when you do take the President of the United States at his own resolution, and getting the UN back in was exactly right.

JFK opposed poppa's war because poppa flat out admitted it was FOR OIL. The Gulf War was so blatantly bullshite it's ridiculous. That one makes this one look like an "honest failure of intell".

Haven't you read Powell's remarks from back then, how we wouldn't bother interfering just over Kuwait--"maybe over Saudi, but not over Kuwait"?

Or all the other poppa bush Admin remarks from the time, that the US had no interest and no opinion on any Iraq-Kuwait disputes, that it was nothing to do with the USA and we had no duty to defend Kuwait?

Only by some THREE VOTES did Congress agree to the 1991 war. And of 5 yes votes, the senators said it was the bullshit "incubator babies" lie that made them vote yes.

Gee...if poppa bush's PR firm who spewed that total lie hadn't done so, we wouldn't have had a Gulf War because the resolution to go to war would have failed.

Guess who bush the Stoopid uses for his PR firm...

[venus]

6. Our Senators left it up to Bush to determine last resort.

And he did. What's to get so upset about. Why all the yelling. It's just the facts. Our guys screwed up and still can't explain why. I think it's hilarious we keep criticizing Bush for his steady unwavering resolve, and we refuse to budge or admit our wrong decisions. Fascinating.

[GreenArrow]

12. blank check

"SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to


(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and ..."


Section 3a -- As Bush determines to be necessary and appropriate. It was a bad vote. It was a blank check.

[ogradda]

2. thank you

i've been saying this forever.

[life_long_dem]

4. I agree, but for those that haven't read this

John Kerry's statement on Iraq before the war, here it is :

http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/kerry-iraq.html

John Kerry has more insight than people think. I wish every American, no, every person in the world would read this.

[LynnTheDem]

5. re Kerry & Gulf War vote

enate vote tally was 52-47 for war.

ONLY FIVE (5) VOTES sent us to war.

bush41 used the "incubator babies" lie in 5 speeches; SEVEN SENATORS said they voted for the war BECAUSE of the incubator babies story.

Which as we all knew long ago was a TOTAL LIE by bush41 (and now bush the Stoopid) PR firm. Which just happens to be a SAUDI ARABIAN firm.

OF COURSE Kerry voted AGAINST the Gulf War. He's not Stoopid. bush is.

[wuushew]

7. Yes and Kerry's position like many others is still wrong

the so called "bluff" that you praise had no checks to prevent the application of all necessary force in order to enforce U.N. resolutions. Resolutions that in my opinion were completely uncalled for in any case.

According to Bush the only provide for our safety was to destroy the government of Iraq. I will never agree with that position. All the members of the Senate including Kerry voted for the dubious Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 which short of calling for war had the same aims as the invasion of Iraq.

Enjoy the wonderful fruits of a destabilized Middle East and please prepare a coherent reason why any nation in the future cannot arbitrarily attack us for any reason as seems to be our new policy direction in the post Cold war era.

I would have been more happy with Saddam still in power as our security would be much better and gas would not over $2 a gallon.

[KharmaTrain]

8. The Sanctions Worked...The Inspections Worked...Poppy Bush Worked

Why isn't someone pointing out the regimen of sanctions and the post '91 war demolition of the nuke program was all dictated and under the directions of Poppy Bush. Sonny boy dissed his old man by not only abusing the authority Sen. Kerry voted to give him to use wisely, but destroyed the good work of his father.

[sandnsea]

9. pats on the back more important

The left absolutely refuses to understand that every time they call the IWR a "vote for war", they let Bush off the hook. He said it wasn't a vote for war, war was avoidable, there was no decision to go to war. But no, it's more important for them to pat themselves on the back about how they're soooo much smarter than everybody else. Holding Bush accountable for his lies isn't near as important as the much deserved back patting.

[Skittles]

10. BECAUSE

ANYONE WHO DIDN'T KNOW BUSH WAS/IS A WARMONGERING BASTARD IS TOTALLY CLUELESS.

[bush equals idiot]

11. I've been saying this ad infinitum dominus vobiscum

I don't know why Kerry doesn't just hit him with it right between the eyes. The key is that the inspectors were very pleased with the way everything was going. They were getting cooperation, being able to talk to the scientists, even never-before-given access into the royal palaces. They were actually pleading for 4-6 more weeks because they knew they were making progress. He ordered them out.

Bush wanted to make a personal revenge trip because of what Hussein tried to do to the guy who fertilized his egg (unfortunately for us). He'd been planning it a week after he took office. 911 gave him the cover. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

[RafterMan]

13. You know,

a lot of people are keeping a lot of things on hold right now in the interests of presenting a unified front, and it isn't easy.

Why do you feel the need to rip open this old argument? Why not just state your case to specific people when you encounter them?

I'm self-deleting the rest of my rant in the name of unity. Consider doing the same.

[flpoljunkie]

14. Bush: "If you want to keep the peace, you've got to have authorization to

use force."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/09/23/MNGQK8TI8O1.DTL

NEWS ANALYSIS
Flip-flopping charge unsupported by facts
Kerry always pushed global cooperation, war as last resort

Marc Sandalow, Washington Bureau Chief

Thursday, September 23, 2004

Yet in the fall of 2002, several months before the air strikes on Baghdad began, Bush himself insisted the vote was not the same as a declaration of war but instead gave him the hand he needed to negotiate the peace.

"If you want to keep the peace, you've got to have the authorization to use force,'' Bush said in September 2002. "It's a chance for Congress to say, 'we support the administration's ability to keep the peace.' That's what this is all about.''

_______________________

Yet our compliant and complicit media not only failed to question Bush, they cheerled the country to war.

[0007]

15. You got that right! I still don't understand why the media isn't

saying it and questioning, poppy also.

The bushes are pure shit, senior & junior and all most all of their ugly fucking children.

[Malva Zebrina]

16. and of the ones who voted against it?

what does that say about them? Dumb? Communists? anti-American?

[Zorra]

17. Most republicans would kill their own children if they could make profit

from it.

But they would,in general of course, rather that your children died instead of theirs

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. I'm sorry, If I knew what Bush was going to do with that vote and my

neighbors knew what Bush was going to do with that vote...and a GOODLY amount of America knew what Bush was going to do with that vote, I'd like to think my CONGRESSPEOPLE are smart enough to figure it out. As much as I'd like it to be the way you put it, it's not. Kerry's my guy; I'm canvassing, I'm calling...BUT, I'm not ever going to give him or any other congressperson a pass on this one. It was and will remain, Insider politics. End point.