Obama calls out Bush...

[carpe diem]

"Everybody here knows somebody who's stubborn and wrong all the time. Why would you elect somebody like that president?" Obama called out. "I mean, it's one thing that somebody's wrong and they know they're wrong. Or it's one thing if they're arrogant but they're right all the time. But when they're arrogant and wrong all the time, that's a problem."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22660-2004Oct10_2.html

[knowbody0]

1. OH BABY OH BABY OH BABY

[cthrumatrix]

37. nice to see Obama call out shrubbie...........

[Mojambo]

2. Snap! n/t

[patrice]

3. I try not to get tooooooo idealistic about African American leadership

But I can't help but hope.

[benburch]

4. Obama for President in 2012!

:)

[Homerr]

5. Let's see - Kerry in '04, '08; Edwards in '12, '16; Obama in '20, '24

[delete_bush]

9. That's a pretty good run, 24 years!

Anyone know what the record is? In the last century it would be the 20 year run of FDR-Truman. Not so sure about the 1800's, I know the party definitions changed in the first part of the century so might be difficult to determine.

[AP]

13. Is it FDR'32-Truman-Ended by Eisenhower '52 = Twenty years ???

[delete_bush]

16. That's what I got. '32 to '52.

3 terms FDR, 1 FDR/Truman, 1 Truman. 5 x 4.

Edited - As mentioned, though, I'm not sure if this is the correct answer as I don't know about pre 1900.

[Tweed]

11. Edwards is a weak candidate. He can run in 2012 and lose

The American people will not accept one party to be in charge for 24 years. It's best to have Edwards lost in 2012 and have Obama be president from 2016-2024

[AP]

14. Did Edwards run over your dog?

What is your problem with Edwards?

And it's got to be pretty serious if you'd rather see a Republican as president.

[Tweed]

33. The net forces of Edwards being weak, Obama being so strong

and the fact that this country won't stand for one party being in control for so long has me come to this conclusion. Edwards is too ambitious for me and he seems to be a politician and that's it. Obama is a real person. When you hear him speak, it sounds like he is having a one on one conversation with you and you alone. Obama has great ideas and has keen observations about this country. I can't wait for him to be President.

[AP]

34. If Edwards wins, he's strong. But you say you want him to lose because he

is weak. Isn't that sort of a tautology?

If Edwards were just ambitious, he'd remain a lawyer and make millions of dollars. He clearly has conviction.

Obama is a great politician and if Edwards felt that Obama had a better chance than he has at winning in 2012, or in any year, I'm sure Edwards would be the first to step aside and let him take a shot at the top.

Edwards is clearly only running for the people and not for himself.

A person I met from NC said that a big reason Edwards is in politics at all is because of the disenfranchisement of black voters in Western NC in Gant's first race. Edwards is only in politics so that black voters, like Obama, have a government which represents their interests.

[AP]

35. Furthemore, Truman would have won two terms had he run in 52. America

could stand 24 years of very good democratic leadership and Edwards and Obama would be just the politicians to deliver the last 16 years of great Democratic leadership.

I'm STUNNED that someone would prefer a Republican to Edwards even if it were part of some extremely confused strategy to get Obama elected president.

Is this the reason that you detest Edwards so much? Is it really that you think he's a very strong candidate who prevents Obama from becoming president as soon as possible?

Two in the hand is worth one in the Bush. If Kerry wins, we all better be hoping and dreaming of 8 years of Edwards. And once we finish that, then we'll think about 8 years of Obama.

[StevenD]

25. Edwards is not weak.

He lacks some experience, put VP should give him that in 2012. If we win this one, we could really see 24 years of rule. 8 Kerry/Edwards, 8 Edwards/Obama and 8 Obama/? The demographic trend is in our favor.

[sleipnir]

31. Too early to say, but I do believe Edwards is a bad choice for succession

He may surprise us all, but I'm of the opinion that Edwards could easily be defeated in a Presidential election. Still not sure why Kerry chose him as VP (I really don't think it was to continue the line of succession.) If Kerry makes it 8 years, look to see as brutal a primary in 2012 as we just saw this year.

[AP]

36. Edwards was an amazing campaigner in the primaries. The more people

heard him the more they liked him. It's incredibly obvious why Kerry picked him. PBS did an informed voter survey which concluded that only Edwards and Kerry were on an upward trajectory, and that Edwards's was at a greater slope than Kerry's.

[grace0418]

18. Nu-uh!

I don't want to wait for 16 years to have Obama as president! Give me Obama over Edwards ANY DAY (no offence John, but Barack is just too good to be patient.).

[AP]

38. If Obama wanted to run in 2012 it would be a tough call, but would he?

Edwards is a phenomenal candidate with a perfect resume for American at the point in history that we're at. Edwards is, in particular, a fantastic contrast to Bush.

In eight years, the US might change enough that Edwards's historical moment of heightened relevance will have passed and Obamas will have begun.

I think both Obama and Edwards are smart enough and have enough conviction to know whether one is more appropriate for the moment than the other. If the moment hasn't passed, Edwards will run and Obama won't. If it has passed, Obama will run and Edwards won't. If Edwards doesn't run, Obama will put him on the Supreme Court.

I highly doubt these two will run against each other, and I highly doubt either would make the wrong choice about running.

[SeanQ]

40. Kerry in '04 and '08

And we'll wait until '12 to pick some combination of Edwards/Clinton/Obama ticket. Any combination of those would be just fine with me! Third person out can be speaker of the house. :)

[xray s]

6. Barack RRRRRAAAAAAAWWWWWKKKKKSSSSSSS!!!!!

:kick:

[cheshire]

7. Obama is fantastic. He will go far and do great things. Great read.

[Julien Sorel]

8. I tried not to buy into the hype.

But this guy is simply doing everything right.

In the past week, Obama has mailed checks totaling $260,000 to Senate candidates in 13 states, including $53,000 to the do-or-die campaign of Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (S.D.). He donated $100,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and $150,000 to party organizations in key states, including Florida, Wisconsin and Colorado.

[madrchsod]

10. hell he`s been out of state

more than he has been here but that`s ok the rest of America can get to meet him and see what a fine politician he will become. so to all you folks who have seen him in the other states-pretty cool isn`t he!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Hard not to. The man has smarts, class, and heart.

And he tells it like it is.

[mahina]

20. Plus he's a Punahou grad...

that doesn't mean much to you guys but there's a bunch of people in Hawaii with Obama stickers on the ride :)
And as far as I'm concerned he is the best voice for healing America I have heard in years. (God bless Howard Dean. God bless Kerry and Edwards, I love them wildly. It's not an either or deal here. )
He's....Obamatastic!

[allalone]

21. ??

I thought you have to be Hawaiian to go to Punahou?

[mahina]

29. Maybe you are thinking of Kamehameha Schools.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. Hell, I thought his speech was better than BC's...

And that's saying alot, considering Big Dog is the Michael Jordan of Modern Politics.

[ZombieNixon]

12. That's the thing about Obama

Keyes is clinically insane, so Barack can get 10 votes and win the Senate seat. He barely has to focus on his own race, and can help out others who actually need assistance.

EDWARDS-OBAMA '12!

[grace0418]

17. Have I mentioned that I LOOOOOOOOVE Barack

Obama? Maybe not yet today! Well, I do. And I cannot wait to vote for him in November (the one time I'm glad to live in Illinois) and I can't wait to (hopefully) vote for him as President in the not-too-distant future.

[nonconformist]

19. Obama is the MAN. nt

[Pharlo]

22. I was fortunate enough

to see Barack Obama give the speech in person. Let me just say that his keynote speech at the Democratic Convention was NOT a fluke. The man is REALLY that good. He was very impressive. While the article may have relayed the major points to his speech, what isn't articulated here are his presentation skills. His ability to involve his audience in his presentation and to embellish that effect by incorporating comments about local events and to form ad hoc responses to comments from previous speakers.

My suggestion to anyone who ever has the opportunity to see him speak in person -- take it. Go see him. It will be worth your while.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

24. Welcome to DU, pharlo!

:hi:

[Pharlo]

26. Thanks for the welcome....

I appreciate it...:)

[KharmaTrain]

23. Envy Me...I've Got A Problem...LOL

I can't speak highly enough of either Senator Dick Durbin or Barak...who to like more? LOL.

Barak sent some help, and we're hoping to get him to do some stumping here for Melissa Bean in the last days of the campaign. Right now things are fine here...last time we heard from Alan Keyes, he was being ignored at a Mark Kirk fundraiser...LOL.

He was on one of the local news programs this morning pretty much giving the same spin you read above. Channel 5, the NBC affiliate gave him the better part of 30 minutes adjacent to Russert. Here's hoping folks in Southern Wisconsin were tuned in.

[Pharlo]

27. Yep, heck of a problem you have there.

We do have Russ Feingold. He's an excellent representative. I'm working on his campaign. In fact, that's how I came to be in Washington Park on Saturday morning. I was a volunteer. Hopefully, he'll win re-election. God, I hope we don't get that narrow minded ditz from the opposition. Imagine a younger, lighter edition of Alan Keyes who happened to be indiginous to your state.

[KharmaTrain]

28. I've Been To Wisconsin Recently

I asked recently when the Finegold debates were going to be. I saw polls that look good...probably the best I've ever seen for Russ in any of his campaigns. Also, he was on the Franken show last week and was having fun with what looked like a large crowd in Mad City.

We're following the Moore campaign here...I've made several contributions...and think Wisconsin will surprise the pundits and be Strong Kerry on 11/2...I can see it, I can feel it. Thanks for all your hard work.

BTW...don't feel so bad for me, you guys have had two Democratic Senators for as long as I can remember.

[Pharlo]

30. Gwen Moore is one fiesty lady...

She'll be a very good representative. There's a lady who has been through what her constituents have been through. I live in a staunch republican congressional district. I've given some money to her campaign. I also plan on doing some door to door for her campaign before the election.

As for Feingold -- I don't care how well the polls may say he's doing. As far as I'm concerned, it's do whatever I can until the bitter end....

:-) Really, you don't need to thank me. Kerry/Edwards are going to need all the help they can get when they're in office. It won't do much good to send John (2) to DC without backup.

That would be like spittin' in the wind....

As for the Feingold debates, check out the States Forums (WI). Things of that nature are usually covered there.

(edited for spelling)

[snippy]

39. It is hard work being wrong and too stubborn to admit it. n/t

[gcomeau]

41. That man is going to be president himself someday. Just watch.

-Grant

[Peanut Gallery]

42. Somewhat off topic

But Obama recently had a great comeback for Keyes. Paraphrasing - he said he's not running for state preacher, but state representative. It was a short-and-sweet quote that drove home the point about separation of church and state. I think this is an important message - it was along the lines of Kerry's answer about abortion during Friday's debate.