Voter Triggers Dean's Much-Talked About Temper

[bicentennial_baby]

"The former Vermont governor had just finished his standard stump speech blasting President Bush for, among other things, his Iraq policy and his stewardship of the economy. He asked, as is his custom, for "questions, comments or rude remarks in the New England tradition."

Ungerer, wearing a T-shirt bearing the words "Mr Fix It," rose to his feet and condemned what he called the incivility of the campaign and the political press. He suggested Dean and the other Democratic candidates stop "tearing down your neighbor" and cut their "slam, bam and bash Bush" rhetoric"

"Please tone down the garbage, the mean-mouthing of tearing down your neighbor and being so pompous," Ungerer, a registered Republican who voted for Bush in 2000, said to scattered hisses and boos from the overwhelmingly pro-Dean audience at the Oelwein Community Center.

Dean, whose rivals have suggested his impulsiveness, outspokenness and temperament make him less than ready for the White House but have been unable to provoke him in a dozen or more debates and forums, began by calmly replying: "George Bush is not my neighbor."

But when Ungerer stood and tried to interrupt, Dean shouted: "You sit down. You had your say. Now I'm going to have my say."

The crowd cheered and Ungerer sat."

more:

http://tinyurl.com/2jb44

[hellhathnofury]

1. I can't wait for the Bush-Dean debates.

This guy deserved what he got. He doesn't get to kick Dean as much as he wants and not let Dean respond.

[janx]

63. This might have been a preview of how well Dean handles

that kind of thing. I can't wait for the debates either. Dean handled this beautifully.

[Printer70]

84. Sorry as Dean supporter, this was not cool

You can't vent at voters and talk down to them by telling them to "sit down". Leave it at: "You've had your say, now I'll have mine." This is already going over the news wires and just reinforces Dean's image as vituperative. Dean can be coached on this and has to be, for the general.

[Padraig18]

2. LOL!

Great! *giggling helplessly* :)

[mot78]

3. Tell that Freeper Who's boss!!!

:yourock:

Dean should do that every time his rallies get Freeped.

[arewethereyet]

59. the voters are the boss, may want to keep that in mind

and what a wonderful opportunity Dr Dean had and squandered. And not just squandered, turned into a negative !

Wonder is any camera caught this ?

[TeacherCreature]

93. HUH?

Dean kicked freeper ass in front of a room full of democrats and they cheered him. Where's the problem?

[bitchkitty]

4. So will Clark

play nice with Republicans? I imagine so. He raised enough money for them.

[Clark Can WIN]

9. You know for someone with a peace symbol in their avatar

you seem to spread precious little of it.

[bitchkitty]

16. I chose it for the cat -

and I'm not the one supporting a war dog.

[Clark Can WIN]

46. good, neither do I :-)

so we agree:hug:

[Name removed]

47. Deleted message

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[TeacherCreature]

94. Your candidate spent his life waging war for a living

I don't think you really want to go there.

[NWHarkness]

5. That's the kind of temper I want to see!

A Republican saboteur tried to disrupt a Dean campaign event, and Dean told him off.

Sad to think that there are going to be Democrats attacking him for it.

[hellhathnofury]

6. 5 posts in and not yet.

[QC]

27. No, just an attack on Clark.

It's totally off-topic and irrelevant, but that's standard procedure around here.

[hellhathnofury]

35. Of course. SOP, I can't wait till this all over.

[hellhathnofury]

37. 5 for your guy. 29 for us.

[caledesi]

41. Exactly. What's wrong w/ being angry. I am angry! nt

[Terwilliger]

7. triggers his temper?

wouldn't every DUer who heard somebody saying for us to lay off of Bush be all over the guy?

[BuelahWitch]

8. Go Dean!

:bounce:

[stickdog]

10. "Dean handles unruly heckler with aplomb."

Isn't that what you meant to say?

[bicentennial_baby]

28. Hey, I didn't write the title

[hellhathnofury]

31. It's GD. I believe the title rules only apply for LBN.

[liberalnurse]

11. He was fine......It's just media hype and trash thrown

from the wanta-be-first candidates. I saw the response, no problems... He was right on target...He spoke for me, thats for sure.

[hippiechick]

12. THAT was Dean's infamous temper ?

Telling some Freeptoid who had already asked his question to sit down ?

Ooohhh, yeah, Dean's really an unstable maniac ...

:eyes:



:hippie:

[wryter2000]

13. Oh, the horror!

"Bush isn't my neighbor." "You sit down, you've had your say, now I'll have mine."

Yup, looks like Dean lost the die hard Republican vote right there. We're doomed. Doomed. Doomed, I tell you!

[hellhathnofury]

15. We're unelectable. :(

[koopie57]

74. we are just use to

the pink tutu democrats. I think this was an appropriate reaction. He didn't swear, took control, responded and then continued. And of course we are electable. It is stupid and defeatest to think we are not electable. Dean is human and lets it fly once in awhile. I love it! It is so much better than Lieberman slapping is old pal Bush on the back everytime he is done kissing his butt.

[tedoll78]

79. Yes..

we're.. DOOMED! (doomed!)

(okay, I need to stop copying FedEx commercials..)

[Clark Can WIN]

14. anybody who gives the verbal smackdown on a freeper

has performed a service to all.

[funky_bug]

19. Here here!

I've got no problem with Dean doing a smackdown. It's good to see from time to time that our candidates remember who we're really fighting against.

[TeacherCreature]

99. that has to be the ugliest picture of Clarks wife I have ever seen

Or is that his mother? Can't you find a better picture. She is a pretty woman and that picture makes them both look sick and old.

[ozone_man]

17. I tell my boss that all the time.

OK, you had your turn, now it's my turn. Good thing that I have a boss who understands that. :-)

[NoPasaran]

18. Glad I read the whole article

I was afraid he'd torn the head off another goat.
http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/colb/colbert_8077.html

[Rose Siding]

20. Video coming up on Faux, after the break

They just got done with some ex-military guy explaining how we found wmds in Iraq and if there are some more in Syria, we'll go in to get them, but not too soon (I'm not making this up)

Dean loses temper, film after the break!

[hellhathnofury]

24. I'm going to stomach Faux. I want to see the spin.

[hellhathnofury]

33. WTF...he didn't even raise his voice. He answers question, not argue.

The anchor hurts my eyes.

[Rose Siding]

43. She couldn't even get the Faux commentators to agree with her!

They both said that it was good, that's what the voters are looking for!

And it was NOTHING! He just answered him back. Too funny.

[hellhathnofury]

44. C'est la vie. I really really can't stand their anchors.

They're either dumb and blonde or old white male with gray hair.

[janx]

60. The right wing has "predicted" that Dean will lose his temper.

So they have to deliver what they predict.

This was failed miserably, but I enjoyed seeing Dean answer that gentleman's comments!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

102. Dean's "temper" and "WMD."

Still searching....


Maybe we could have David Kay insult Dean's mother.... :shrug:

[slinkerwink]

21. good for dean!

[Frances]

22. I remember when Reagan told a heckler

to shut up. Lots of people, including my minister in a sermon, praised him for that. I don't recall anyone saying that Reagan lost his temper.

[hellhathnofury]

23. Dean is angry, Gore is a liar, Bush is the messiah. Meet the media!

[Walt Starr]

25. DEAN REALLY STUCK IT TO THAT FREEPER ASSHOLE!!!!

That's EXACTLY what I want from the man who should be president. PUT THOSE FREEPER ASSHOLES IN THEIR PLACE!!!!

This makes me supprt Dean EVEN MORE.

Time to go hit the bat with another $50!

[janx]

52. Fox is replaying this thing over and over again, saying that

Dean "lost his temper."

HA!

STANDING OVATION FOR DEAN!

He handled that guy beautifully.

[dogman]

26. Don't believe the hype.

A total non-story. I'm no fan of Dean, but A-holes like this guy don't deserve respect. For Faux to play it up was ridiculous, but then that's not unusual. I agree with Dean, Bush is no-ones neighbor.

[retyred]

29. Boy that'll resonate well

with the undecideds. The man is a walking disaster. LOL



retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[Terwilliger]

36. I see, so a disruptor who says that criticizing Bush is a bad thing

should just go on doing what he's doing without any response?

Sounds like the losing attitude.

[w13rd0]

39. Putting Bush hecklers in their place is a bad thing?

WHAA??? Pardon me while I laugh at you.

[Printer70]

85. I agree and disagree

I don't agree he's a disaster. I do agree he needs to check his temper. This won't play out as "Puts disruptor in place". It will play as "Tells voter to shut up". The media is not on our side and we can't afford to give them ammunition.

[jab105]

30. That is EXACTLY what I'd want him to do...

EXACTLY!

[patricia92243]

32. That is not temper - that is using a firm hand when it was needed

[bluestateguy]

34. So what! Clinton did the same thing in 1992

I'm no Dean supporter, but this fool got what he had coming to him. In 1992 Bill Clinton was heckled by an AIDS activist named "Luke Sissyfag" (yes, that was his legal name; I'm not making this up). Clinton reamed him out and called him a "snotty nosed punk". Last time I checked the Clinton campaign did OK that year.

[VolcanoJen]

38. "George Bush is not my neighbor."

I thought that was classic! I loved it, and see nothing wrong with Dean's firmness about elaborating his answer.

[zulchzulu]

40. Good for Dean

Someone should have handed the GOPer a tin foil hat and a pretzel.

[PretzelWarrior]

42. well, at least he didn't call respected media an "Asshole"

who the hell cares if he told someone to sit down and shut up after they asked questions?

Your title sounded like I would read story of Dean biting head off of a kitten, spitting it out, and saying the war against Bush and all the catlovers of the world had begun.

very little ado about NOTTHHHINNGGGG!

[bicentennial_baby]

67. Again, I did not write the title

Complain to Reuters if you have a problem

[beyurslf]

45. Just proves that Dean doesn't have scripted audiences.

Bush wouldn't have this problem since they would never let just anyone ask any question.

[diamondsoul]

48. And for this, another BRAVO for the Governor!

Sounds like he handled it beautifully to me.

[MIMStigator]

49. Clark doesn't do this to voters he saves it for Fox

EOM

[hellhathnofury]

50. So Clark would have let him interrupt him?

[MIMStigator]

51. No he would have shut him up in a non a**hole way

YOU SIT DOWN sounds like *

[hellhathnofury]

53. It wasn't an ahole way though at all.

The guy tried to interrupt him. I've seen this kind of behavior before. If you don't put them in their place in a very apparent manner they will talk talk and waste everyone's time.

[Dr Fate]

56. Exactly, the guy was an obvious disruptor...

DEMS need to law down the law when they try to sneak in their media talking points. At least Dean let him ask a question in the 1st place, somthing Bush does not do.

[MIMStigator]

57. Dean asked for rude comments so he should have let him have a second shot

the * isn't my neighbor part wasn't swift either

[hellhathnofury]

58. Yeah the guy made his comment and then tried to interrupt Dean.

Dean put him down when he tried to interrupt.

[Dr Fate]

54. Temper? The guy REALLY did need to sit down...

...and let Dean respond. Since when do disruptors in the audience get to run the show? At least Dean allowed non-scripted questions in the 1st place- does Bush ever do that?

[hellhathnofury]

55. The answer to your question is no.

Keep the sig pic for that very reason.

[Benhurst]

83. No, Bush* locks up anyone who isn't a supporter

in a "First Amendment" Zone. :argh:

[bain_sidhe]

61. Boy, that Dean...

How shocking! I bet that poor Freeper was sobbing his eyes out by the time Dean finished his ... er, temper tantrum...?

:eyes:

Seems to me the REAL story is how FAUX is playing up this NON story as "evidence" of the "famous Dean temper."

Hell, my 4 year old niece could do better than that. And did, when she was four.

[janx]

62. See my post upthread...FREEPERS describe him as going "ballistic"

The right wingnuts have predicted that he would lose his temper, blow up, etc.--so now they are pretending that he actually did so:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1055946/posts?page=40#15

It's hilarious!

[TeacherCreature]

96. Freepers describe him as going "ballistic"

Here and on FR.

[janx]

97. Yep. Everywhere! n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

103. Good one.

[poskonig]

64. Smackdown!

Dean kicks freeper ass! I love it!

[bluestateguy]

65. Could someone provide a video link?

I'd like to see it.

[kerryistheanswer]

66. This is exactly why I don't support Dean or Clark

I've seen both candidates blast out against dissenters. John Kerry has been interrupted several times on the campaign stump by Republicans and each time has answered in a calm demeanor.

This smackdown stuff is ridiculous. What happened to the teachings of Gandhi and MLK? The hypocrisy of anti-war Dean and Clark supporters is dissapointing.

We need a true diplomat in the White House. Kerry, Edwards, and Kucinich have the demeanor to lead ALL americans, not just supporters.

[hellhathnofury]

68. Your kidding. These people will waste so much time.

They deprive others of the chance to speak.

[IndianaGreen]

82. Last time I checked, Kerry was going along with Bush

Kerry voted for PATRIOT Act, at our civil liberties' expense, and then he decided to get along Bush, and believe in Bush, when he voted for Iraq War Resolution.

BTW, President Truman was never kind to Republicans, taking always a great deal of pleasure in kicking their butts and mocking them in public. Truman was a great President!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

104. He was just being neighborly.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

87. Exactly correct. Clinton was "cool" too, and Dean's "not my neighbor"

response was, for most of the religiously minded that he is supposedly courting- very un-Christian.

Clinton was famously cool headed when confronted so.

[TeacherCreature]

101. Clinton's not running

Neither is Kerry from what I can tell.

[Bucky]

69. As a Clark supporter, I really wanted to read something bad here. Instead

This is nothing. Dean put the guy in his place. Good for him. If Dean bites the head off a bat (go ahead, make your little Dean bat-puns) or throws a kitten into a mosh pit, it'll be news. This is just a guy doing his job and running for president. And another guy doing his job and trying to support that current loser in the White House.

[5thGenDemocrat]

86. Dean threw a KITTEN into a MOSH PIT??!!

(That's a joke, BTW).
Nothing noteworthy here, except Faux is still a collection of shitpot-stirring media hooers. I'll just be glad when all the primaries are over and we can get down to the real business of kicking Bush's ass out of the White House.
John
I agree with Bucky.

[janx]

70. Here's another account (AP) of what happened:

OELWEIN, Iowa -- Howard Dean rejected a voter's request to be more neighborly and stop "mean mouthing" President Bush, saying Sunday someone needs to stand up to the president.

Dale Ungerer, a retiree from Hawkeye, Iowa, lectured Dean for nearly three minutes near the end of a forum aimed at winning voters for Iowa's Jan. 19 caucuses.

Ungerer accused Dean and other Democratic presidential hopefuls of dividing the country by bashing Bush instead of outlining their own plans and showing respect for authority.

"Please tone down the garbage, the mean mouthing, the tearing down of your neighbor and being so pompous," Ungerer told the former Vermont governor and Democratic front-runner. "You should help your neighbor and not tear him down."

(more at link)


http://www.sunspot.net/news/nationworld/bal-voter11,0,556559.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

[SadEagle]

75. 3 minutes !?

Sounds like the real story here is how patient Dean is w/ill-mannered fools.

[janx]

78. Yep. Can you imagine what it must have been like to hear

a guy like that go on for three full minutes?

They don't include that part on the Faux News tape, obviously. And speaking of the Faux News tape, has anyone heard of any other news network camera just happening to be around? Or was it just Faux News?

[Logansquare]

95. Wow, an accurate account by *Nedra Pickler*

Ungerer must have been extremely obnoxious to get her to stop her Dem-bashing.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

71. "George Bush is not my neighbor."

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! That's wonderful.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

72. Clark supporter here!!!!!!!!! Dean put this.......

P.O.S in his place. Mr. Ungerer needs to read the constitution, as well as the Country "Music" community, to fully understand that we ALL have the RIGHT to dissent! Not just those who worship Bush's flightsuit!

[MIMStigator]

73. Clark supporter here. Reading the new AP from Janx I take back

other comment.

What the hell was he talking about RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY.

* doesn't have any authority over anybody.

F* the repuke, good for Dean.

[janx]

76. Good for you, MIM, and thanks. It's notable too that

the repub guy talked at length for *three full minutes* before Dean even responded. He was there to disrupt.

[Maddy McCall]

77. Clark supporter here, too...Good for Dean, except, he should...

have said, "Sit down, SIR," to indicate at least a modicum of respect for his elder.

;-)

Good for Dean.

[BurtWorm]

92. How about

"Sit down, venerable motherfucker, sir." :hi:

[tedoll78]

80. What a great story to wake-up to!

And I need to note something..
the unity in this thread is incredible!

I think it may be a reflection of what's to come. No, not necessarily in terms of who will be the nominee, but of how things will happen after the nominee is decided. Our nominee will be chosen, and many will be disappointed, no matter who it is. Then that nominee is going to be attacked by the Right and he'll fight back, and people are going to rally to his side. I'm seeing it how it's going to happen right here before my very eyes, and it feels great. Freepers like that are a great reminder that this is all about unseating the Chimp.

My favorite line of this week: "George W Bush is NOT my neighbor!"

I'm ecstatic over this story for some reason..

[DemonFighterLives]

81. Not my neighbor either

If Unger was normal, he would have asked his question and listened.
Bush is very very hard to respect in anything, except his ability to get rich while destroying everything he touches.

[John_H]

88. Kudos to dean. That fucker was a rethug plant. Or an idiot. Or both.

[Gman]

89. High Five for Dean

Good job putting the plant in his place.

[Ficus]

90. another reason for me to

dislike Dean.

[randr]

91. Influencing friends and distancing enemies

Since I have yet to make a choice of who I will support to unthrone the *, Mr. Dean's remarks, and more pointedly, his attitude, to the gentleman in question left me with more questions.
I thing he needs to wake up to the reality that a lot of conservatives, of both political persuasions, are sitting on a fence waiting for the rhetoric to move into a constructive debate between ideologies. The gentleman Mr. Dean so curtly dismissed, my personal call, actually had an important message for Mr. Dean and the rest of the pack. The majority of people in this country already know something is wrong. They are waiting for someone to offer solutions. Leave it to the bloggers, pundits, and other critics to bash the bush. I am ready to hear what Mr. Dean and the others have to offer that is going to move us in a more productive direction.

[Logansquare]

98. According to the AP account, Ungerer

went on three minutes, which is more than long enough. Mind you, the AP account was penned by Nedra Pickler, a reporter long noted for her conservative sympathies.

Ungerer used this three minutes to make unsupported, ad hominem attacks on Dean, essentially parroting Republican talking points, and throwing in a bit of irrelevant biblical rhetoric for good measure. Since he feels so strongly about negativity toward one's "neighbors," I expect him to show up at Mr. Bush's next fundraiser (I hope he can throw together a few thousand dollars in order to get in), and wag his finger at him for the grotesque character assasination of Al Gore in 2000.

In any event, even if Dean had the temperament of a saint, I'd expect him to lose patience with a rude, bloviating ditto head like Ungerer.

[copithorne]

100. There is a similar story about Clark

At the Concord Town Hall meeting some guy lectured Clark for "10 minutes" about his plan for Iraq. We need a three state solution, yada, yada, yada. The audience was getting restless.

Clark listened to him, then gave him detailed reasoning about why he was wrong -- how his plan would lead to more ethnic violence. Clark listened to every word the guy said and provided a respectful answer, even as he disagreed with him.

Clark could correct him while leaving everyone feeling that the guy was being respected. There was no need to be "vociferous" about it.

Even though I'm a self avowed Clark supporter I don't like trafficking in this media hit on Dean. But I do think this is a problem for Dean and it is part of why I switched from Dean to Clark. Voters are going to be afraid that Howard Dean will get angry with them. They are going to be afraid that Howard Dean will judge him. This will make it harder for people to hear and accept Howard Dean's message.