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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 01:08 PM
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WTC 4,5, and 6
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 01:18 PM by petgoat
I'm trying to resolve the following three images.

The first is FEMA 5-17, which FEMA uses to support its assertion that fires
brought down WTC7 (even though pictures of the N, S, and E sides showed
only wimpy fires).



One analyst dismissed the smoke as dust from the WTC1 collapse, but the sunlight
on the western walls shows this picture was taken in the afternoon.



The second is FEMA 4-13, showing building 5 on fire. That looks like enough
smoke to explain the smoke in 5-17. Does anybody know what time this picture
was taken?



The third purports to show WTC4 on the left and WTC5 on the right. Note the
sunlight on the east wall of WTC7 in the background, and the lack of sunlight
on the south wall. This suggests that the fire in WTC5 had burned out early
in the day. I suppose new fires could have broken out later in the day.

So.... does anyone have information about the fires in WTC5 and WTC6?
Does anyone know the history of the third photo?

Is it possible the fires burned out early in the day and then reignited
later?





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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 07:02 PM
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1. but why is WT 4/5/6 important? Was WT7 a raging inferno?
hell no. http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc7dem2/911.wtc.7.demolition.window.wmv

this is the view of the south face of WT7 see a raging fire/fires? FEMA fooled us with that photo.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 07:16 PM
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2. Can U give the source for the 3rd photo so
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 07:17 PM by mirandapriestly
we can see it larger? :) thnx
was it building 5 that the witness had seen evidence of explosives in? I'll look at killtown's site. The flames in the second photo look fakish to me as though they were trying to explain the smoke which does not look congruent with a fire.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 10:22 AM
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3. The Third Photo is featured in Dr. Jones's Paper
But the version at 911research is clearer. Notice shadowed sides
of foreground objects are on the SW side.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc7fire3.html

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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 05:26 PM
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4. that photo was taken in the afternoon.
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 05:34 PM by DemInDistress







WTC 7 on afternoon of 9-11-01. WTC 7 is the tall
sky-scraper in the background, right. Seen from WTC plaza area.


another view:Ground Zero Vicinity
Photos of Ground Zero Shortly After the Attack
These photographs appear to have been taken on the day of the attack. At least the first and third ones were. The third photograph shows Building 7 still standing. It's redish west wall is visible to the right of the Verizon Building.
many more photo's here:http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/groundzero.html#oem







edit to add link for missing picture: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzsearch1.html
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 06:09 PM
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5. I know Dr. Jones says it was, but I believe he's wrong.
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 06:11 PM by petgoat
The picture is looking roughly northwest and appears to have been taken at Church
and Liberty.

If it were taken in the afternoon, the white perimeter columns from the tower would
be in shadow, and would be throwing a shadow across the police scooter. Also the
south face of WTC7 would be lit up, and the east face would be in shadow.

Behind the scooter, WTC4 is half in shadow and half lit up. The short shadow of the
scooter itself shows that the sun is high in the sky. This picture really doesn't add
up. If the shadow is from #22 Cortland, then why isn't the Liberty Plaza throwing a
shadow across the scooter and why isn't the south face of WTC7 lit up? The shadow
can't be from the Millenium Hotel, because that's due east from WTC4 and the sun would
be low in the sky when due east in September.

And what's causing that shadow to the extreme left of the picture? There's no shadow on
the ground leading up to it. Very strange.




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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 06:21 PM
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6. WTC4, 5 and 6 are very murky stories
have you seen Killtown's interview with an EMT who described some unusual activity at WTC6?

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:07 PM
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7. more info on those images WT5
Building 7's Fires
Photo Showing Building 7's Southern Walls
This photo was taken sometime in the afternoon of September 11, before Building 7 collapsed. Building 7 is the skyscraper in the upper right of the photograph. The partially crushed and burned-out remains of Building 4 are in the middle of the photograph and Building 5 is the dark object to the right. The fact that fires are no longer visible in these buildings suggests it is the mid- to late afternoon.

The southwest facade and southeast-facing wall of Building 7 are visible but there are no signs of fire.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc7fire3.html

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:34 PM
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8. If this picture was taken before the collapse of WTC 1
Then the mystery of no fires in WTC 7 is no more. It was the collapse of WTC 1 that damaged 7.

When was this picture taken? The east side of 7 is lit by the sun, so the sun must be in the east. Therefore this picture was taken in the morning, not the late afternoon.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:38 PM
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9. It's clearly after the collapse of WTC2, because that's a chunk of
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 04:48 PM by petgoat
it on the left. But there's no sun on the S. face of WTC7.

The video of the molten metal pouring out of WTC2 shows the n side
in shadow, so the S. side must have been lit up before WTC2
collapsed.

Therefore the fact that the S side of WTC7 is not lit up is
impossible. The only way the south side could not be lit up is if
the WFC is throwing a big shadow over it, and in that case the
east sides of WTC7, WTC4, and the WTC2 wreckage on the left
could not be lit up.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:26 PM
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10. I was wrong about the shadow on the S side of WTC7.
It may just be an illusion.



In this picture WTC7 appears to be in shadow on the s side, but the
south wall of the Verizon building is lit up.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:44 PM
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11. I would guess that the WTC 1 or 2 was blocking the sun
on WTC7 and not on the Verizon building when that picture was taken. You can go in and out of sunlight many times just walking down the street in NYC.

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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:28 PM
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12. what are the chances that WT7 would collapse "without" causing
damage to either building (Verizon,Postal Bldg.)? My guess is "ZERO to NONE". Its incredible to believe fires caused WT7 to collapse without even scratching Verizon on one side and the Post Office on the other. Good picture PG.
Look closely and try to imagine WT7 collapsing, straight down no less. No fucking way!!

watch this short clip: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc7dem1/911.wtc.7.comming.down.soon.wmv

explosion heard and who are those guys?
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