Hoaxes are part of the hoax.

[Pacifist Patriot]

Alright I know I've been all over this board today but this is the first time I've felt able to face September 11. I saw the second plane crash into the WTC, felt the smoke particulates in my contact lenses for days, walked into an FBI Mailboxes Etc. raid that Wednesday, and lost a fellow church member at Cantor Fitzgerald. I really have stuck my head in the sand and tried to blot out the whole thing. I have paid little to no attention to either the "official story" or the "conspiracy theories."

So yesterday I watched "Loose Change" and today I watched "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime." I've browsed http://911research.wtc7.net and http://www.911truth.org/index.php as well as following links to other sites through a variety of Google searches. I read Clarke's Against All Enemies last week.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, but neither do many of the "conspiracy theory" details appeal to me. I think this is because I get the distinct impression that some of the so-called hoaxes were either begun deliberately or exploited to obscure real anomalies.

The administration's behavior on and before September 11 lead me to the conclusion that if they did not make it happen they certainly allowed it to happen. The details of how it was accomplished that day are beyond my ability to sift through. In fact I think that is almost irrelevant. I am less concerned with the how than the why and who. I don't know if the answer to how would even lead us to answer the why and who.

This feels like the hub of a wheel to me. Afghanistan, Iraq, Patriot Act, Diebold, PNAC, Abramoff, Bolton, December 2000, November 2004, Carlyle Group, Saudi Arabia, Patriot Act....they all revolve around and connect back to September 11. It's a key. And that's why I think it's important for hoaxes and "conspiracy theories" to proliferate. They are an excellent smoke screen--just like the "official story."

Edited: typo

[KJF]

1. Which Mailboxes, Etc. raid?

btw, I pretty much agree.

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. Ft. Lee, NJ

[KJF]

5. Thanks

Nawaf Al Hazmi (American 77) had an account there. There are already lots of articles about it. Link:
http://www.google.com/search?hs=RVF&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Fort+Lee+Mailboxes+hijacker&btnG=Search

I was hoping it was in Jersey City - there isn't much about that one. Nevermind.

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. I'm sorry I don't know much about that one.

I'm actually wondering if Hazmi once lived in my apartment complex. It was highly multi-cultural, very transient (used for temporary corporate housing alot), and within walking distance of the Mailbox, Etc. with virtually instant access to Rt. 4 and I-95. It would have been an ideal place to come and go without anyone seeking to get to know you too well.

[KJF]

7. The hijackers' address in Fort Lee was:

96 Linwood Plaza #417, Fort Lee, NJ 07024

I got it from intelligence summit, which is OK.
Link: http://www.intelligencesummit.org/news/BillWarner/BW13.php

They had other addresses in New Jersey and I suppose they might have lived elsewhere without the FBI noticing.

[Pacifist Patriot]

11. That's actually the address of the Mailboxes, Etc. store.

[KJF]

13. I stand corrected, thanks. (n/t)

[HamdenRice]

2. An honest open mind at least ...

is all anyone can ask for at this point. Thanks!

[Bolo Boffin]

3. Yes, for example, the idea that Bush is behind bin Laden

What an interesting pysops - against bin Laden.

If anybody in the Middle East thought that America and her allies were behind Osama's organization, using it to plan those attacks, Osama's credibility would really suffer. That would make him a capitalistic stooge.

So why should they do any real legwork to clear them up?

[rman]

9. Then again, it is not far removed from

the notion that (parts of) the CIA/intel community are a major instigator behind terrorism. See for instance the anti-Castro 'movement'.

[Rich Hunt]

8. I agree with you....

I've experienced too much bullshit since 9/11. It's a fascist set-up and they're still getting away with it. Read the Gladio thing. Must be a lot of corporate money tied to this, because there does seem to be a massive disinfo effort, at least on the internet.

[CJCRANE]

10. I've realised

from reading up on these kind of things that the US and UK both often manipulate both sides of a conflict/terrorist campaign. Loss of innocent life means nothing to them as they think on a 'macro' or strategic scale.

I think in the case of B*sh and Blair - they are directly involved in this (or know what's going on). Some previous leaders were probably kept in the dark as the PTB went about their games behind the scenes.

[democraticinsurgent]

12. Read "Crossing the Rubicon" by Michael Ruppert

It's gotten generally positive reviews and in no small part because he doesn't concern himself with the Pentagon plane controversy, the WTC implosion, missing planes, remote controls, pods, or any of the other physical evidence for which we lack tangible and irrefutable proof.

Instead he focuses, detective-like, on means, motive, opportunity, background, etc.

The other must read is Paul Thompson's Timeline book, where he keeps track of published reports in a sequential fashion. It's an awesome compilation.

Way too much time is spent on this board debating the physical evidence, IMHO. Like everyone else, I'd love to know what happened, but I think we stand to gain the most by lining up all the other stuff that can be verified.

Sorry to hear of your losses re: 9/11. But glad to see you are looking at the reality. More and more are, every day.

[mrgerbik]

14. Absolutely,

but IMO, I think maybe the people debating the physical evidence are attempting to build a solid platform on to which they can spring forward with. If u can prove inside complicity on that day, through the evidence of the buildings, all the rest would fall into line. As well, it's the nature of the collapses, connections, strange events and the gut feelings of people on that day that probably attract them here in the first place.