Medical treatment inmidst a cloud of Mace?

[Woody Box]

What happened in the business class of AA 11?

We know from Betty Ong that in the very beginning of the hijacking, a breath-attacking stuff ("Mace") was sprayed in the front of the plane.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/01/27/911.commis.call/

But Amy Sweeney relates a medical treatment going on in the first class:

/// She said they had stabbed the two first-class flight attendants, Barbara Arestegui and Karen Martin, whose station at the front of the plane likely made them the first crew members to confront the hijackers. She said they had also slashed the throat of a business class passenger, who was bleeding severely.

The flight attendants gave the injured people oxygen, and made an announcement over the PA system asking if there was a doctor or nurse on board. Sweeney told Woodward the passengers in the coach section were calm and that they believed there was some type of medical emergency at the front of the plane. ///

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/primetime_flightattendants_020718.html

So let's get that straight: Whilst suffering from the Mace themselves, the flight attendants put an oxygen mask onto the injured person's face. And they make the passengers in the coach section believe that there is a "type of medical emergency" in the first class. Obviously despite the Mace there was no coughing and sneezing, because the coach passengers didn't realize the swindle and the seriousness of the situation.

Why didn't the flight attendants take the injured person back to the coach section instead of treating him with oxygen in a Mace-contaminated environment (the first class)?

[LARED]

1. We will never know precisely what happened that

awful day. But it's a pretty good bet the planes ventilation systems were working.

[DulceDecorum]

2. About the tracheostomy

A tracheostomy may be performed because of:
Severe neck or mouth injuries
Breathing corrosive material smoke or steam
A large object blocking the airway
http://health.yahoo.com/health/encyclopedia/002955/0.html

Let us review the information we have at hand.

A "breath-attacking stuff" was released.
Certain individuals experienced breathing difficulties.
A tracheostomy was quickly performed on one particular passenger
by a concerned party who may have used a box-cutter blade.
The stewardesses asked any doctor or nurse on board
to assist in the further care of the patient.
The other passengers were unaware of anything other than a medical emergency on board.

All I can say is that it really wasn't very nice of the two telephone operators (Sweeney and Ong)
to send a medical professional into first class when the guy had chosen to fly coach. Lord knows what type of other ostomies or piercings those guys might have performed on him.
Look what had just happened to fellow crew members Barbara Arestegui and Karen Martin.

I do hope that the masks for the passengers had all been deployed
and that the oxygen equipment was working.

FAA orders inspections of oxygen equipment
Saturday, May 26, 2001
Some oxygen generators that provide breathable air to passengers and cabin attendants if an aircraft loses pressurization wouldn't work on Boeing airplanes because of airline maintenance mistakes, the Federal Aviation Administration warned.
The FAA gives airlines until Sept. 8 to inspect oxygen generators on Boeing 737, 747, 757, 767 and 777 jetliners. The inspections are considered fairly routine and can be accomplished without resulting in airline disruptions.
Additional checks will be required whenever the oxygen generators are replaced to make sure they have been installed correctly.
Eleven oxygen generators failed to work in July on a Boeing 757 that lost cabin pressure, the agency said. Details were not available, but apparently no one was injured.
Boeing said it is aware of only one incident in which the oxygen generators failed to work because of incorrectly installed release pins. That was on the 757 that lost cabin pressure.
But a subsequent investigation found that some oxygen generators on other 757s had been improperly installed by the operator.
And one 737 operator reported finding that half the oxygen generators on that plane had been incorrectly installed.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/24850_oxygen26.shtml

Hmmmmm
I wonder if that really was mace.
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0UBT/15_17/100000508/p1/article.jhtml
http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safety_Issues/Aircraft_Wire/IFEevents.html

Sept 13, 1999
Special Review Finds Oversight Lacking in Supplemental Type Certificate Process
Satisfying the regulations and meeting the minimum standards did not prevent the installation of a system that was incompatible with an airplane's design philosophy.
<snip>
It was the FAA's imprimatur on the Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) that authorized the installation of a high-powered interactive in-flight entertainment network (IFEN) in Swissair's 16-plane fleet of MD-11 jets. After the Sept. 1998 crash of one of those airplanes, burned wires associated with the IFEN were pulled from the wreckage and the company immediately disconnected the power from the IFEN systems on its remaining aircraft.
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0UBT/37_13/55745831/p1/article.jhtml

In-flight smoke and fire events occur with sufficient frequency to generate a thick stack of confidential reports over a three-year period (2000-2003) submitted by pilots to the Aviation Safety Reporting System (ASRS). The database is maintained by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) on behalf of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0UBT/36_17/108012305/p1/article.jhtml?term=

Add something to the airplane, and add the potential for failures. Such is the case with the reinforced and lockable cockpit doors installed on a priority basis after the 9/11 attacks. Numerous problems have been encountered since installation with dysfunctional doors, to include jammed doors, reduced cabin/cockpit ventilation, and lock failures.
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0UBT/39_17/108842698/p1/article.jhtml

[LARED]

3. Huh???

Let us review the information we have at hand.

A "breath-attacking stuff" was released.
Certain individuals experienced breathing difficulties.
A tracheostomy was quickly performed on one particular passenger.

What passenger had a tracheotomy?

[DulceDecorum]

4. I have a question

If your throat is slit
and blood is gushing out
HOW
does oxygen help?

I mean,
wouldn't the air you breathe
and the oxygen
leak out through that big hole in your neck?
Not to mention
the horrible sounds
it would make as it did so.

This would be
rather distressing
to the others in First Class,
don't you think?
Especially those
with an aversion to being sprayed
with human blood.

Funny how they were
ALL so silent.
Even the hijackers.

[LARED]

5. Are you asking yourself a question?

is is it open to others?

If your throat is slit and blood is gushing out HOW does oxygen help?

While I'm not a medical person, I have pretty extensive training in administering first aid. O2 is given to help the body keep O2 available to major organs. Losing blood decreases your blood pressure and your blood supply and your bodies ability to transfer O2. Also we only know the throat was slit, not whether it was gushing. I'm afraid to ask. Is there some point to this line of inquiry?

I mean, wouldn't the air you breathe and the oxygen leak out through that big hole in your neck?

That would assume the wound cut into the airway. We don't know the extent of the wound. Only that the throat was slit. Even it the airway was damaged some of the air goes in and out through the hole,and O2 is probably still a good idea.

This would be rather distressing to the others in First Class, don't you think? Especially those with an aversion to being sprayed
with human blood.

Good guess. Not much gets by your investigative skills.

Funny how they were ALL so silent. Even the hijackers.

Huh?

[seatnineb]

6. THE SILENT ASSASINS

As in so silent to have decieved the pilots that all was well and sundry in the cabin and hence not punch in the 4 digit hijack code ...which would have only taken a few seconds (if even that ).
After all these terrorist geniuses managed to subdue ISRAELS FINEST ELITE COMMANDO UNIT CAPTAIN without barely making a noise..and 2 resilient flight attedents were also “slaughtered” without a single squeal or shriek.......

............Yeah right!

And once in the cockpit they only had to confront A U.S AIRFORCE CAPTAIN AND AN F-14 NAVY FIGHTER PILOT who probably had 20 years military combat experience between them.
Mohammed,Abdul-Aziz ,Satam,Waleed and Wail sure did like pitting their wits against the VERY BEST OF THE BEST!

[TrogL]

7. The stewardesses have a separate hand-held oxygen mask with its own supply

I do hope that the masks for the passengers had all been deployed
and that the oxygen equipment was working.

The passenger masks don't normally deploy except in a low-pressure situation (AFAIK).

[DulceDecorum]

8. Messers John Cheyne and William Stokes

are heaving sighs upon hearing that,
and they are the ones who have lent their names
to a "common and bizarre breathing pattern"
(Cheyne-Stokes breathing)
which may be present as a normal finding
in healthy adults following fast ascent to great altitudes.
http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/1159.html
Especially the First Class passengers on that particular flight.

[seatnineb]

9. How did the hijackers breathe then?

Apart from being as silent as ghosts the hijackers were also imperviouse to the mace or whatever chemical that they themselves sprayed.
After all Betty Ong did say that she was having trouble seeing and breathing and that the First Class was inaccessible because of this spray.
So this would mean that either:

1)The hijackers smuggled gas masks onboard........which would mean that the F.A.A is even more corrupt than we already know....naaaa! ..the official story can’t hack this scenario so let’s try........

2)They took these so called hand-held o2 masks from the flight attendents......but this would then mean that they were wielding box cutters in one hand whilst using the other to hold these masks to their faces seriously reducing their ability to defend themselves!!!..... and the official story starts to hang very precariously by the weak thread of it’s spin masters.......given the opposition that the hijackers were up against......

o.k how about..........

3)After the cabin was seized(sprayed) all 5 hijackers went into the cockpit taking the total occupancy to a whooping 7 people!.......getting slightly crowded in there don’t you think?....And after all it might have affected Atta’s ability to fly with such millimetric precision....and not one of these exceptionally avionacally trained hijackers noticed as U.S AIRFORCE PILOT EXTRAORDINAIRE OGANOWSKI OR U.S F-14 NAVY PILOT MCGUINNESS WAS KEYING THE MIKE TO ATC.

4).
They say both Ong and Sweeney made their phone calls from the back...is that right?....well seating at the back was KENNETH WALDIE WHO HAD 5 YEARS AT THE U.S NAVAL ACADEMY ......and also in the cabin or 1st class was CHARLES JONES--- A U.S AIRFORCE PILOT of 23(count em!)..YES 23 YEARS EXPERIENCE..... ..and i’m sure that a so-called “medical emergency” at the front of the plane is really going to dupe these guys from not kicking into action............
AND just for good measure “Frazier” producer David Angell who just happened to be seating adjacent to Atta and Alomari WORKED FOR THE U.S ARMY AT THE PENTAGON DURING THE NIXON YEARS(QUITE AN AUSPICIOUSE PERIOD DONT YOU THINK)..................

Not to forget COUNTER TERRORIST EXPERT AND ISRAELY DEFENCE FORCE CAPTAIN DANNY LEWIN who just happened to be seating in seat 9B
9 B BEING THE HEXADECIMAL REPRESENTATION OF 9 11 .
REMEMBER THAT LEWIN WAS ALSO A MATHEMATICIAN AND COMPUTER SCIENTIST and knew the numerical significance of the above.

And the official story would have us believe that 5 men armed with nothing more than box cutters and mace managed to overcome no less than 6 HIGHLY TRAINED U.S AND ISRAELY MILITARY INDIVIDUALS IN LESS THAN ½ HOUR.............................

[LARED]

10. 9 B BEING THE HEXADECIMAL REPRESENTATION OF 9 11 .

Now that is interesting.

[Abe Linkman]

11. In other words, LARED...

Your response makes it seem as though you aren't at all surprised at the analysis...just that you found the hexadecimal fact interesting.

It really is a powerful refutation of the bogus BS "Wacky Caveman and Cavemen Did It" story.

[LARED]

12. Not really Abe,

The 'analysis' does not surprise me. It is pretty typical of so called 'analysis' seen in this forum on a regular basis by the "Wacky Caveman and Cavemen Did Not Do It" crowd.

The hexadecimal fact (ie that 9 B in hex converts to 9 11 in dec) is only interesting (amusing) in that the author seem to think that it is some sort of material piece of information.

It is just about as material as the fact that I called my wife at 9:11 AM on 9/11 to talk about the attack. Now that I've confessed to this fact, I must also be part of the plot. See logic is easy and I didn't even have to convert between bases.

[seatnineb]

13. The official story's logic?

No LARED YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE PLOT you are just a propagator of it or simply too afraid to refute it .
But beware because if you believe the mainstream story then you will probably believe Betty Ong’s positive identification of one of the HIJACKERS... seeing as you seem to be such a logical THINKING type of guy........


Betty Ongs’s hijacker seat numbers are as follows...
Seat numbers 2A,2B,9A, and 9B.

Now seat 9B did not belong to Atta(8D)
It did not belong to Alomari(8G)
It did not belong to Al-Suqami(10B)
It did not belong to Wail-Al-Sheri(2A)
It did not belong to Waleed Al-Sheri(2B)

That’s right ........it belonged to guess you know who.........
DANIEL LEWIN

Trouble with the official story is that it trips over itself like a drunken clown....

By the way Lewins (former) company..... AKAMAI
Rhymes a touch to conveniently to..... ALKALAI
That is Rabbi Yehuda ALKALAI(1798-1878) ....The founding father of Zionism.

P.S
Don't bother with the "He must be an anti-semite to write about Lewin in such a manner" because it won't work.

[DulceDecorum]

14. Which is precisely why

I keep asking WHY we need all those military types in the first place,
when they can so easily be trounced by
a civilian with a Swiss Army knife.


Heck,
if September 11 is the best that
the US military in conjunction with NORAD
can do,
prepare to ruled by DulceDecorum and MacGuyver.