Disinformation Agents. Fact or Imagination?

[simonm]

There was a time when I labeled those accusing others of being government agents as paranoid. The thought of agents sitting at computers and getting paid to deceive people online always seemed crazy to me. Well, until I was forced to rethink my position.

What changed my mind was the video that debunked Dave von Kleist's "911 In Plane Site". The debunking video not only provided a very thorough explanation but also pointed out major errors by Dave that could not be unintentional.

In light of the debunking video, I believe there is a good possibility our government has disinformation programs which would include but not be limited to the Internet.

Indymedia.org
In Plane Site Debunked Video - 25mb

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This is my reasoning. What do you believe is the truth and why?

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. They're all over the place

Some are paid, some are not but they're all FREEPERS. That's what freepers do is spead disinformation.

[jmb597]

2. I just watched the debunking video...

and thought it was very weak to the point that I laughed a couple of times. The things they chose to use to debunk the video is funny to me...they addressed the pod on the bottom of the plane but didn't prove that there wasn't one. They addressed the demolition, but didn't prove there wasn't one. They also addressed the eyewitness that said the plane wasn't an american airline...with another witness saying it was a plane. The entire video was just them saying how wrong in plane site was, but gave no solid evidence to back it up. They never addressed the Pentagon or flight 93, nothing...Wow...LAME.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Remember what Fitzgerald said during his press conference

when he indicted Libby? That he couldn't get to the bottom of the case because the targets of the investigation had thrown sand in his eyes. They muddy the water on purpose in order to create confusion. They will do anything to cover up their deeds and wrong doings but in the end it will be their undoing and they are definitely coming undone. You can only maintain the lies for so long before it all falls apart.

[petgoat]

4. I'm undergoing some evolution myself.

Having seen some very disruptive people in meetings (and some embarrassing to our causes at
public events) I've occasionally indulged in speculation about their motives and finances.

I came late to 9/11 truth, and so when oilempire and Nick Levis listed a number of ideas
I needn't concern myself with, my lazy mind was happy to leave those doors unopened.

But having once regarded CD and MIHOP as nuts, and now viewing them as reasonable hypotheses,
I'm inclined to keep the possibility open that some of these fringier ideas are true. Have
the missile-flash videos and the pod videos over been shown to be photoshopped? I've never
bothered to check. Actually, I've never bothered to view In Plane Site.

A world of dis-info agents contains dis-dis-dis-dis-dis-info agents. Maybe we should keep an
open mind as well as a skeptical one.

It's important that the 911truth movement capitalize on the movie "Flight 93" (opening April
28) by leafletting the people coming out of the theater. That means quickly coming to some
consensus on the no-airplane-in-Shanksville theory and the Cleveland Airport Mystery.

Also I note that the Wikipedia entry on Flight 93 has no exposition of alternative theories.

[spooked911]

5. They are fact-- and the pentagon pays them

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2006/20060302_4370.html

Blogs sometimes include information -- accurate and otherwise -- about the U.S. military's global war on terror. U.S. Central Command officials here took notice and created a team to engage these writers and their electronic information forums.

"The main interest is to drive their readers to our site," Army Reserve Maj. Richard J. McNorton said. McNorton is CENTCOM's chief of engagement operations.

Anyone who wants a virtual voice can create a blog and share information with the online world. The ease with which bloggers spread information is what public affairs officials at CENTCOM saw when they created the blog team.

McNorton said the team contacts bloggers to inform the writers about any given topic that may have been posted on their site. This outreach effort enables the team to offer complete information to bloggers by inviting them to visit CENTCOM's Web site for news releases, data or imagery.

The team engages bloggers who are posting inaccurate or untrue information, as well as bloggers who are posting incomplete information. They extend a friendly invitation to all bloggers to visit the command's Web site.

Many bloggers appreciate the team's contact, blog team officials said, and most post CENTCOM's Web site as a link on their blog sites. This, McNorton said, has a "viral effect" that drives Internet news consumers to CENTCOM's Web site.

[Kevin Fenton]

6. How often do they contact you then? (n/t)

[leftofthedial]

7. the disinfo agents often outnumber civilians

it's a major activity within the "national security" and "defense" communities.

[greyl]

8. It seems probable to me.

It's difficult to imagine a thoroughly dishonest spin-centric government not using propaganda to discredit the opposition. The internet has made dissemination relatively effortless. They create the extravagant lie, suckers believe it and gleefully copy and paste the fertilizer at no charge.

I'd bet there are a few progressives who post outlandish "freeperesque" things at right-wing forums to make them look bad...

"The intelligence agencies that do the crimes try to control the counter-community's response by infiltrating moles that infect it with large falsehoods and impossible-to-prove technical questions (micro-analysis). The large falsehoods are designed to prove the community wrong and nuts if the need arises. The microanalysis into pointless or unanswerable questions, or into just plain dumb ones, is to divert its energies from using the clear hard facts to tell the story simply and clearly.

... If Mr. VonKleist is not a paid intelligence disinformation asset, then he is the dream of the intelligence community: someone who dissembles as artfully as they do, and with all their wit, but who doesn’t draw a salary." - M. Green

edit: webfairy for example, who quite possibly produced "In Plane Sight", fits the bill as a disinfo agent. Their minions are the first to accuse their opponents of being disinfo agents and government shills, and disrespecting the 3000 that died as a way to distract from the disputed facts at hand.

[Jose Diablo]

9. Disinformation Agents? Yes, they are fact.

As an example long long before 9/11, look at the account of a couple so called abductees by 'aliens'.

One of the first accounts is from a couple, a black husband and white wife in Louisiana I think it was back in the 50's. This was during the time of active racism and this mixed couple would have been immediately discredited as trustworthy. They were driving in the countryside and fell asleep and they reported to have been abducted to a ship and experimented with by aliens. And then released unharmed. I don't think I would be the only one to say this was pure BS.

Now this is not to say there were actually alien abductions, but there were reports of strange aircraft that were being reported by reputable eyewitnesses. If the Air Force was involved in development of aircraft with exotic performance abilities, how could they put the reputable eyewitness accounts of the reports in the trash bin of nut case reports? With the reports of the abductees, all reports become BS.

What better way than to encourage and even make nut case reports that will automatically discredit the also reputable reports of strange but true reports of unusual performance aircraft in operation.

We find years later, that indeed the stealth bomber when viewed from the side, front and rear looks like a saucer and it cannot be seen on radar, plus it's fast and maneuverable.

If we could examine everything the government has been up to, I think keeping the development of new aircraft secret has a lot to do with the reports of alien aircraft. The UFOs, a core amount of the reports were complete disinformation to seed the field so to speak. And just like clockwork, others chimed in with their own observations of something that was unexplainable, but could have been something natural, plus the few sightings that were actually experimental aircraft but then got credited to the supernormal rather than what it actually was, a report of a new aircraft under development. And naturally the charlatans who profit from making books about UFOs. Like the movie about that guy that turns his field into a baseball field, 'If you build it, they will come'. The same could be said about seeding the field with false reports, others will follow.

Now extend this modus operandi into 9/11 and make comparisons to the UFO experience. Seems similar to me.

Edit for typo and to add: But why would the government seed the field so to speak with disinformation, unless there is something that they dare not allow to become public knowledge. Something like there is a war going on within the intelligence agencies (white hat vs black hat) and something within our military has gone dreadfully wrong. I would suggest a very close look at what is happening out there in Denver with the NORCOM HDQTS, for example. Has the neocon wackjobs gained control of a military unit that's operating in conflict with the oath of allegiance to the constitution. Could this be why it is so necessary to keep what really happened on 9/11 obscure. In addition to there being accomplices to the crime of 9/11 in government positions, leadership positions. Note that I said 'crime of 9/11', because that is what it was, a crime, not an act of war justifying military involvement.

[Kevin Fenton]

10. I agree completely

It's amazing how many "UFOs" were sighted near US air bases where advanced, top secret aircraft were being tested. The Predator UAV can hover and, at night, looks just like a flying saucer "should", especially when flying in formation.