Demolition of the Towers and Building 7 on 911

[Th1onein]

Bush knew all about 911 before it happened and chose not to warn the American people. Of course, many of HIS friends WERE warned, including (as reported by Newsweek) a number of high level Pentagon officials, who were scheduled to fly out on vacation on the 10th of September, and abruptly all cancelled their plans. Strange, huh?

Also, I have fought for a long time against believing that the twin towers collapsed because of demolition, ie., explosives. I have always been leery of conspiracy theories. But I have watched the videos of the explosions, frame by frame, over and over again.......and I have read the engineering reports, over and over again, and there is simply no other explanation. There is NO STEEL BUILDING EVER known to have collapsed because of fire. NEVER in history, and yet on that day, not one, not two, but THREE steel buildings collapsed.

Someone is lying to us. And his name is George W. Bush.

[Bolo Boffin]

1. WTC 1, 2, & 7 collapses subject to NIST investigation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=6512&mesg_id=6512

You'll find more info at http://wtc.nist.gov .

There's no doubt in my mind that Bush is a lying little thing, but the buildings collapsed because of the severe structural damage caused by the airplane impacts and the subsequent fires.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

2. alot of demolition co's are hired to pull off a straight down collapse

it NEVER happens by accident--EVER

Please go ahead and show us another incident of this sort where a crash or afire takes a building down straight down--
link and video please-

If it happened that easily there wouldn't be much need for demolition co's. to remove buildings.

Also-

Does it bother anyone that Marvin Bush was in charge of security at the WTC that day?--had been for a while--
In criminal murder trials don't they look for 2 things-
opportunity and motive?

3000 people were murdered and no on is held responsible!
At the very least whoever was in charge of the country's security and the commander in chimp should be fired!!
At the VERY least !!1

[Uroboros]

3. I have no problem with the way the towers fell.

The towers were designed in an unique way that allowed the floors to be free of support columns. The support came (if I remember correctly) from the outer structure. Each building was hit with a plane FULLY loaded with fuel. When the support between the outer walls and the floor went; the towers would have come down IMHO the way they did.

But forget about that for the minute and look at it another way. If you're going to deliberately bring down some buildings to create the most damage; the way they came down is NOT the way you'd do it. Really now; why would you bring a a demolition company to bring down the building in the most tidy way; when if you're the planner behind the event you'd want the thing to come down the way most of us think it should have. Taking down the building and the surrounding area as well. Heck you'd probably cause immediate explosion that would have taken the top of them the minutes the planes hit.

I remember watching a program about the Citicorp building here in NYC. After it was built they found some defects with the structure. They raced against the clock to fix the thing because a hurricane was possibly going to make it's way toward NYC. They were really afraid the building was going to fall over. Taking out a few city blocks with it.

This is what the hijackers (or whomever the plotters were) would have wanted to happen to the towers. So no..I don't think you bring in a demolition team to wire BOTH buildings to fall the way they did. They fell the way they did because of how they were built and probably because maybe we all got lucky as well (it could have been a LOT worse)

Haven't said all that..I agree with you that Bush & Co are responsible for letting it happen. This wasn't some truck bomb (as took place during Clinton) hidden among all the cars in NYC. These were 4 planes monitored by air traffic controllers and air defense; that should have never been allowed to do what they did.

[RC]

4. Two things wrong with the first paragraph alone.

"The towers were designed in an unique way that allowed the floors to be free of support columns. The support came (if I remember correctly) from the outer structure. Each building was hit with a plane FULLY loaded with fuel. When the support between the outer walls and the floor went; the towers would have come down IMHO the way they did."

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First each tower had 47 support columns, each going all the way to the top of whatever part of the building they supported. None of them were connected to the floors? What was the purpose of the support columns then?

Second Those planes had been in the air for something like an hour. How could they be fully loaded?

And that is just the FIRST paragraph. What you need to do is take into account just how evil the bu$h administration is. The ever shifting reasons for going to war. The companies/people profiting from this war.

[SheilaT]

5. Her I go.

First There were no interiorsupport columns. The support was entirely by the exterior shell of steel beams.

Second Those airplanes would have held enough fuel for at least five, maybe six or more hours of flying, so after one hour they'd used up maybe 15% of their fuel. So okay, in technical terms they weren't fully loaded because they had been flying, but they still contained a phenomenal amount of fuel.

Jet fuel is is very flammable, and the fire after any normal crash is often a bigger killer than the impact itself.

And for those of you who still think those buildings were wired with explosives ahead of time, have you ever given a lot of thought as to how that would have been done and how long it would have taken? In an ordinary empty-building demolition it can take months of full time work to do that, and that's without any need to cover up what's being done.

It would have taken YEARS to wire buildings that huge, especially since the guys doing it would have had to make it look like nothing had been disturbed, all the walls and so on were still normal and showed no signs of tampering. How many people would it have taken over how long a period of time? Even assuming that those people were some kind of high level intelligence types who would themselves never talk, it passes my willingness to believe than none of the thousands of people who worked in those buildings ever noticed anything funny. Never. No one who worked in them has ever come forward to say, "You know, I always thought there was something odd about the cleaning crew back in 97" or anything like that.

And yes, buildings do collapse straight down in fires and earthquakes, just to name two catastrophes.

Yes, I think people in the Bush administration knew something was going to happen, but the WTC wasn't wired up with explosives in the years or months prior to 9/11.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Not all *'s friends got the memo not to fly.

<Bush knew all about 911 before it happened and chose not to warn the American people. Of course, many of HIS friends WERE warned, including (as reported by Newsweek) a number of high level Pentagon officials, who were scheduled to fly out on vacation on the 10th of September, and abruptly all cancelled their plans.>

Barbara Olson, the wife of Solicitor General, Theodore Olson, was on the plane that smashed into the Pentagon. She was not originally booked on the flight to L.A., where she was going to appear ironically enough on Politically Incorrect. She stayed overnight in D.C. to celebrate her husband's birthday.

While I didn't prefer Mrs. Olson's brand of politics that placed her in the milieu of Ann Colter and Laura Ingraham, I found her death to be quite ironic as I would have guessed that she would have been warned not to fly on that date.

[EV1Ltimm]

7. so let me get this straight...

World Trade Centers 1 & 2 are hit by aircraft. Demolitions experts race up to the impact site in the building with hundreds of pounds of explosives (upstream in a river of people), core out 10 inch deep holes in asbestos covered, solid steel girters, toss in some dynamite, run the cables down 80 some-odd floors to a safe distance and then detonate it...

Or...

They go in the day before, core out the holes, run the cable and tell the pilots which floor to hit to pull off the stunt effectively?

Am I lacking a fundamental belief in the human physical and/or cognitive ability?

But as far as no steel building ever collapsing because of fire... no steel building has been subjected to thousands of gallons of burning jet fuel administered at 300+ mph. It's an engineering feat that the buildings stood as long as they did.

Believing in LIHOP is one thing, but believing that the buildings were demo'd is another.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

8. when Marvin Bush is in charge of SECURITY at the WTC

there is plenty of time --
all the time in the world to set up demo charges.
and as far as motive....
don't need to be an attorney to see that !!

[TOhioLiberal]

9. Here's a link to Nova....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

They had a very interesting show on why the towers fell. The link is to the companion website. Very interesting stuff

Trekkerlass

[Cassandra]

10. You may think the current thinking is bull but...

builders in NYC are taking the structural lessons to heart.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/01/realestate/01COV.html
"Even before Sept. 11, the building at 300 Madison, had been designed to be more robust than the standard office building, with trusses added to the building's midsection and top that would spread loads if one or more vertical columns were knocked out by a blast or crash. And special attention had been paid to the connectors that attach the floors to vertical columns. These unseen links are often simplified to hold down costs, Brookfield executives said."

Never has there been that large a fire in a steel building that raged for that long, in a building that was of a very different construction. I'm REALLY tired of these demolition theories.