NASA and footage of FIRST plane hitting WTC

[Nevilledog]

Is this a new revelation? Short article....but drops the bombshell that NASA had live coverage of the attacks on the WTC.... the FIRST plane. Also, that it would have been possible for Bush to have viewed this as it happened in the limo on the way to the school?

I posted this in the 9/11 forum, but felt it was important enough to post it here also.


http://prairieweather.typepad.com/big_blue_stem/2006/02/live_coverage_o.html

[niyad]

1. if that is true, then there are apparently a LOT of people who need to be

brought up on a whole host of charges, including treason.

[Nevilledog]

2. When you think about it, it makes sense.....

I'd never considered that NASA could be mixed up in this whole NSA, wiretapping, spying debacle. Makes perfect sense though....think of the amazing things they can do with satellites.... makes you go hmmmmmm.

[Wilms]

3. Makes me go hmmmm, too.

"A caller" to a talk show offered his word that NASA monitored the strike.

[FatDave]

4. Well, I'll need more evidence than a guy calling Mike Malloy

There's a lot of bullshit artists out there who call talk radio. Shit, Art Bell made a whole career out of them. I didn't hear Malloy yesterday, so I don't know what the guy said, but you gotta consider that this is a "some guy said" story.

[Nevilledog]

8. I wasn't vouching for the story....

Would take a pretty creative person in my mind to come up with this story out of whole cloth. And face it, we all know how whistleblowers get treated these days.

It just struck a nerve with me....it's a plausible scenario. I was also interested to see if anyone else had heard about this before.

[aquart]

5. We knew when the first plane went off radar.

A competent defense system would have instantly scanned for it and begun tracking. This isn't a big surprise. Neither is knowing that Bush could have done something and didn't. He didn't help New Orleans, either.

9/11/01. The day of the American Reichstag.

[ThoughtCriminal]

6. So he was watching TV?

"The morning of 9/11, he was working at one of NASA's consoles, with video monitor on, when the attacks happened. The first plane hitting WTC came over live -- live -- on his monitor. "

The low earth orbitting satellites that might be able to view something like this are only over a given spot for a couple of minutes. Satellites in Geosynchronous orbit are not likely to be able to resolve and track anything that far.

[radwriter0555]

15. bush was more likely to be watching cartoons than to be watching an intel

feed from NASA.

Or porn...

I'm just sayin'.

[Trillo]

7. I seem to recall there was unusual trading activity prior to the attack

but don't remember the specifics. It might have been some unusually large short positions.

[FatDave]

13. Record put options on Boeing, UA and AA stock

Ranging from 5x to 12x or so normal? Put options are a bet that the price of stock will drop.

This is just what I heard in a 9/11 conspiracy documentary. I don't know if there was another plausible reason, if other airlines showed similar activity, things like that. For that matter I don't even know if it's true.

[Trillo]

27. Something along those lines.

It was unconfirmed info that I vaguely remember reading about after the fact. If it's true, the transactions would seem highly traceable in the transparency-for-proles hi-tech world we seem to be living in. Would those that have the access to systems that 'illegally spy' on financial transactions desire to audit the alleged unusual activity?

MIHOP or LIHOP seems unlikely only when those in power can be trusted.

[andino]

9. Sounds like Disinformation to me... n/t

[Nevilledog]

10. How so? For what purpose? n/t

[benburch]

11. To make us look foolish. nt

[Nevilledog]

14. I don't see how it makes us look foolish in any way.

It was a twist on 9/11 that I had never heard before. I didn't post it with the idea that everyone was supposed to accept it as fact. It was an interesting tidbit.

[benburch]

17. Right...

...but we seem to latch onto such tidbits and soon they are catechism of the grand MIHOP conspiracy.

You were just reporting it as a curious statement, but soon others will echo it, and it will have been corroborated by a friend of a friend's uncle's sister who works for NASA and is afraid for her life.

It is like a demented game of "telephone".

And I think these things are sewn among us to discredit anything we might have to say about the actual truth of 9/11, which is that this government let it happen though depraved indifference.

[Nevilledog]

20. And who do you think is spreading these stories?

I think it's fascinating how caught up in conspiracy theories most of us are.... not just about 9/11.... but EVERYTHING these days. And how many of these theories end up having a least a modicum of truth. In fact, isn't it a conspiracy theory that people are spreading disinfo in order to keep us from figuring out the true extent of the conspiracy surrounding 9/11? Like I said.... it's fascinating.

[ThoughtCriminal]

25. My favorite conspiracy theory

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

This is why the government is promoting consspiracy theories.:P :tinfoilhat:

[benburch]

40. Some are just nutcases, but some are moles.

We are infested here with a particularly vicious sort of thug; The freeper mole.

They come in here, pretending to be one of us, and then they do their best to twist things, to sew disinformation in the hopes of getting use to swallow a particularly ridiculous fairy tale that they can then go back to Free Republic and elsewhere to mock.

Others, with similar motives are paid GOP political operatives. These were at work here on a couple of occasions. One was the Andy Stephenson affair. The other was the Primary battles for the 2004 presidential nomination. These thugs were the ones who were spreading nasty stuff about Clark, for example.

[Harald Ragnarsson]

47. So, people who DON'T believe what you do are freeper moles?

Sounds like going from painting with a broad brush to using a paint sprayer to me.

[staticstopper]

22. huh?

<i>that this government let it happen though depraved indifference.</i>

They must surely know exatly what indifference will do and then PLAN around it.

Would they leave it to fate? I think they have control issues.

I'm sorry, but Incompetence Theorists and It's Just the Money and Oil Theorists are not that believeable to me after Katrina.

They seek power alone.

I wish I could think that, I might be able to sleep at night.

[benburch]

38. Depraved Indifference

is a willfully evil and reckless policy of conduct that is in disregard to the obvious baleful consequences to life and limb of others.

[PrairieW]

37. Show audio

The audio is now available. I've added the link to the original post at Prairie Weather.

[Nevilledog]

41. Thank you for linking the audio to your site. n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

48. Welcome to DU PrairieW

:hi:

[staticstopper]

18. and playing nice and

sane with these people have done a lot of good.

Did you say this sort of thing to people who questioned the 2000 SC ruling that installed king baby george and set forth most of these problems?

I remember that it was David Corn I think saying something "how dare we question the official story and make us look like a bunch of grassy knollers...sure they are Conservatives but they are not crazy!"

look where we are at now.

[ThoughtCriminal]

19. Been there recently eh?

BUt in a case like this I've encountered numerous cases where stories are mis-heard, mis-interpreted, passed on and stretched farther. It may have started with someboidy calling a friend at NASA on 9-11 AM to see if they knew what was happening: "Oh yeah, we have it on the TV monitor" - story goes from there.

Certainly the internet can accelerate the process, but I think that we may also be in a similar situation to deep Cold War Soviet Union. With very little honest information coming from media sources, all kinds of strange stuff works through the rumor process. Sorting out BS gets hard when it requires expertise outside of our specialties and the truth itself gets strange enough itself.

[ThoughtCriminal]

12. No shortage of people making stuff up

Or just have pet theories that they are trying to pump up. I don't discredit everything, but I have a pretty good knowledge of celestial mechanics and telescope optics. The story is extremely unlikely.

:shrug:

edited for bizarre spelling

[Nevilledog]

16. If it's made up at least it's original....LOL

How do celestial mechanics and telescope optics pertain to the use of spy satellites? I must admit that I have zero knowledge about their operation.

[ThoughtCriminal]

21. Optics and orbits

Telescope optics are what spy satellites use to view the Earth visually (there are also spy satellites that monitor communications). Celestial mechanics is the math that describes the orbit of a satellite around another mass (in this case the Earth).

[Nevilledog]

24. Gotcha.....

Thanks for the basics. And I appreciate that you didn't go into alot of detail... stuff like that makes my eyes glaze over....LOL

[Karmakaze]

36. How about aerial photography?

No one said it was satellite footage, people here just assumed that because when they think NASA they think space. But NASA is also heavily involved in atmospheric research as well as aerial photgraphy, and has operated UAV's capable of beaming back live pictures since the mid-90's or even earlier.

[Nevilledog]

42. True......

You're absolutely right that at least I assumed the guy was referencing satellites because it mentioned a live feed. How else would they get a "live" feed and not just photographs?

[GrpCaptMandrake]

39. The guy also said the Mossad took the pictures

Does that make it any clearer?

[expatriot]

23. Mike Mallloy needs to do a better job screening his callers. nt.

[Nevilledog]

26. You're assuming it's false....

Fact is.... none of us will ever know what really happened on 9/11. And lots of us have very different opinions about what we THINK happened. We have no way of proving or disproving any of our theories... certainly not to the satisfaction of everyone.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

32. So I'm assuming you believe its better..

..to assume that its TRUE?

No. This sounds like 100% B.S. Just because it "sounds" good to you, doesn't mean there's a shred of truth to it.

[Nevilledog]

43. I'm not assuming it's true or false.

I just think I try to keep an open mind about these things. Like I said elsewhere... we don't have the ability to prove it true or false. I doubt we ever will. However, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

[rman]

33. we should not assume it is true unless it's verified. nt

[benburch]

49. I'd bet $1000 on it being false.

99% of this bogus shit people say about 9/11 is made-up bogus shit.

9/11 is where a conspiracy of terrorists from mostly Saudi Arabia, financed by the Saudi Royal Family and maybe Osama Bin Laden, hijacked four airliners, and succeeded in bringing down the WTC 1, 2 and 7 and nearly trashing the whole Pentagon. The governmental and military response was pathetic, and reflected Depraved Indifference on the part of an administration more interested in looting the treasury than in keeping the country safe, despite specific warnings of this sort of threat exactly. And just maybe they were hoping that a terrorist event would allow them to pass repressive and fascistic laws and facilitate their looting, and so did less than nothing to stop it.

EVERYTHING else about this is a nutjob conspiracy theory, and the people who seriously believe it need to have their bullshit detectors tuned up.

I'm sorry, but I think you are loons if you believe anything else.

[Bluebear]

28. So Bush happened to be watching a random NASA feed in his limo?

I think all he does in that limo is try to sleep it off and pull himself together.

[MADem]

29. It would also mean that MonkeyBoy is an Academy award level actor!!

If he was scratching his ass and farting enroute to that school, and watching the planes hit the tower, he then had to stroll in, shake hands with all the teachers and hangers on, and then sit on his ass reading MY PET GOAT, and then FEIGN concern when Andy Card waddles in to give him the bad news...not once, but TWICE....well, all that eye-darting and jaw clenching and flop-sweatedness ain't something they teach at the Actor's Studio, now, is it?

It wouldn't surprise me if NASA has some images, but I doubt that MonkeyBoy saw them contemporaneously with the event.

[Karmakaze]

35. The thing is...

Bush claimed to have seen the first plane crash on TV BEFORE he went to the school, but claimed he thought "what a terrible pilot". He used that story as part of his "no one could have predicted..." defense to show that when he saw it he still didnt immediately think terrorism.

So what this story is apparently doing is confirming Bush's own statement that he saw the first crash on TV before he went into the school.

I myself am sceptical simply because it fits that Bush statement a little too well; a little too conveniently. NASA had the technology, and the ability to do what is claimed, but it just seems a little too convenient.

[MADem]

45. He is not the first asshole to gild the lily or embellish a tale to make i

sound better. He is one of those clowns that derives their own importance and attention by either being there or being an eyewitness--as though portentious events WAIT for INDIVIDUALS!

It was clear to me, though, even, from his mangled remarks, that his reference was the situation room they had set up inside the school--not the limo or anywhere else. He didn't see the stupid thing happen, he saw the TODAY SHOW replays, like half of America did.

[OneBlueSky]

30. if true, and can be proven . . . The Smoking Gun of 9/11 . . .

and knowing what I know about 9/11 -- and what's happened since -- I have more reasons to believe this than to doubt it . . .

one of the things that has most disturbed me about 9/11 is the inaction of the Secret Service in response to this "attack on America" . . . if indeed no one knew what was going on, Bush himself could easily have been in mortal danger since his location was known, and planes were being hijacked (supposedly) all over the place . . . but instead of rushing the president out of there and to a secure location (e.g. Air Force One), the Secret Service allowed him to sit there reading for 20 minutes, and then allowed him to remain at the school for some time after that . . .

this inaction to protect the president has never made any sense to me, and it has never been explained . . . I'm pretty sure the question was never even brought up by the 9/11 Commission, which seems a pretty major oversight -- or an intentional omission . . .

of course, it would all make sense if they KNEW that the president wasn't in any danger . . . but how would they know that? . . .

strongly recommended . . . because if this is true, EVERYTHING else about 9/11 and its aftermath finally makes sense . . . and George Bush goes to prison for a long, long time . . .

[SeveneightyWhoa]

31. Sorry, I don't believe this for a second.

Sounds like a fantasy story conjured up by a conspiratorialist tinfoil-hatter. If it were true, why would it take four years for someone to mention it for the first time? And a caller to a leftist/liberal radio show, at that?

[Karmakaze]

34. Where in the article did the caller say it was satellite footage?

I sure don't see it anywhere in the article...

I hate to point this out to Americans seeing as I am not one of you, but NASA stands for National Aeronautical and Space Administration. In this case, emphasis on Aeronautical. That means aircraft, as well as spacecraft. NASA has been involved with aerial photography for quite some time, not to mention development of reconaissance drones, such as Pathfinder and Pathfinder Plus - both operational with NASA prior to Sept 11 and capable of carrying imaging equipment to extremely high altitudes.

So what does the military use UAV's for? To fill in the gaps created by the limited time satellites can be over any one area. NASA uses them for the same reason.

Here is some interesting information for you: NASA has a unit called DART or Disaster Assistance and Rescue Team. Did you know DART was one of the organisations that responded to the collapse of the WTC buildings?

[Nevilledog]

44. I don't think I'd heard that before..... tell me more... n/t

[Harald Ragnarsson]

46. Naudet Brothers hooked up on feed?

Those firemen checking the gas leak always looked kind of stiff to me. "Look sharp, the President is watching".

[Duer 157099]

50. Thanks for starting this thread

I heard that caller on Mike's show, and have meant to follow it up if I could, and then promptly forgot.

I don't think it's been mentioned yet in this thread, and it's possible that I wasn't completely awake when I was listening to Mike... but didn't the caller also say something about the camera having been located in WTC7? Did I dream that part?

Also, it's so interesting to me that the same people who use the argument against L/MIHOP that too many people would have to be involved and so many people can't keep a secret, also respond to callers such as this one with labels like "nutcase" etc. I have heard numerous cases of people claiming certain pieces of knowledge, that are inevitably ridiculed (no wonder more people don't come forward huh?)

Gotta have it both ways.

Just interesting.