Four critical issues Americans do NOT want to hear the TRUTH about

[OneBlueSky]

1. what really happened on 9/11 (and who did it)

2. that elections were actually stolen

3. the real reasons for the Iraq war, and

4. the true state of our economy

this presents a serious dilemma for Democrats committed to telling the TRUTH (because the TRUTH "will set us free") . . . since the TRUTH about these four issues is SO traumatic, most people just don't want to hear it, and will continue to deny it despite overwhelming evidence . . . they don't want to deal with the kinds of national (and personal) trauma that the TRUTH about 9/11, the TRUTH about election fraud, the TRUTH about the Iraq war, and the TRUTH about the economy will undoubtedly ignite . . . they don't want that kind of disruption of their comfort zones . . .

but there are two other important TRUTHs . . . the first is that you can't fix a problem if you aren't truthful about defining and understanding it . . . just can't be done . . . TRUTH is an objective reality and an absolute prerequisite to real progress . . . as long as Americans (including Democrats) reject the TRUTH because it makes them uncomfortable, overcoming the critical challenges facing our nation (and our planet) will be impossible . . . and these are challenges involving our very survival . . .

and second, if we don't deal with the TRUTH, the long-term consequences will be far more dire than if we do . . .

for Democrats to win (and to govern), telling the TRUTH during this time of extreme crisis is neither optional nor negotiable . . . refusing to face and tell the TRUTH makes us just as responsible as Republicans for what's happening to our democracy and our planet . . .

and we don't have much time left to fully embrace the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH, and nothing but the TRUTH . . . to find it, to communicate it, and to make it central to policy-making . . .

because if we don't, it will soon be too late . . . and we'll all lose . . . big time . . .

[Erika]

1. Bushbots don't want to hear the truth

Their egos can't stand the fact they were taken as fools by the GOP.

[PatrioticLeftie]

2. An unfair generalization

Considering more than half do know.

[Erika]

3. So prove that

Thanks.

[rman]

46. i can imagine more than half knows

about the economy (it's kinda hard not to notice unless you are rich, which most people aren't),
about the elections, about the reason for war not being what * says it is, and about "something not being right" about 9-11.
But i doubt more than half know/suspect who did 9-11.

[JohnnyRingo]

4. I was just thinking about that tonight

About how with the confirmed knowledge that Buxh and Cheney "cherry picked" data to justify an invasion they wanted for their own selfish reasons.

Where's the outrage? Why aren't we starting impeachment proceedings?
What the Hell does he have to do?

I hear over and over that he "keeps us safe from terrorists", but proof indicates that everything this administration does from tax cuts to war and espionage is to benefit a select few Americans.

These aren't "conspiracy theories" anymore! It's all been documented and eventually admitted to! They don't even care to lie anymore. They just shrug their collective shoulders and move on to the next scandal.

Why do republicans think this as good as they can do?
Why do they worship this man who seems intent on dismantling the very country that conservatives claim to love and respect so much?

These fools seem satisfied that the disdain for GWBuxh is strictly partisan.
As if he's doing such a great job and we only hate him because he's a republican.

Did 9/11 cause mass insanity or have these people been brainwashed?
I have a hard time believing either.

[Erika]

5. The GOP arrogance has grown so much

that they will simply ignore what they don't wish to hear. Very dangerous for a democracy.

[glitch]

14. I think most people do know, but the corporate media won't report it.

To report it would bring down the wrath of baby bush.

[12string]

6. the truth

seems to me the number one item is 9/11 and who did it.Go to
scholars for 9/11 truth.org . Too many still believe that
attack was the work of foreigners.Time to rethink that
position.

[laheina]

7. Hi 12string!!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Greyhound]

17. I, for one am doing just that. The loose change video made a difference.

[petgoat]

28. Scholars for 9/11 Truth website:

http://www.st911.org/

[melody]

8. Many if not most Americans know or suspect most of those things

If we see these things, they see these things. My mother-in-law spits now whenever she says the * name. If she's there, most people are getting there or have already passed it.

[Burning Water]

9. That is very true.

We need more Democrat politicians with guts to tell the truth before we can make any progress against the evil Bush regime.

Primaries are coming up. It might be time to turn some of the DINOs out, and get some REAL Democrats for our candidates. These candidates should keep telling the truth, loudly and forcefully, so that even the corporate MSM cannot suppress it. ONLY the Truth will set us free.

And all this will do NO GOOD whatsoever, if something isn't done about election fraud.

[Odin2005]

10. People don't like hearing the truth.

That's why Carter got slammed for the "malaise" speach.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. A couple more:

1. Public education is NOT failing in the USA.

2. Health care in this country is broken.

[democrank]

12. Somehow, Democrats have to break through

the daily crap spewed by the media and Rove`s echo chamber. We need to be as relentless as they are and NOT back down.

[DemInDistress]

13. Yes I too agree with your points and I want to add this.

getting to the bottom of 911 is key.The present chaos in today's world was born out of the ashes of 911..
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB AND THE COLLAPSE OF WORLD TRADE 7 IS A NASTY LOOSE END FOR THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY,also
Tom Ludicrous Kean floats the most bogus report since the Warren Commission. We need to contact our Democrat leaders and DEMAND they reopen 911 for a new more thorough investigation and allow all the shit to hit the fan regardless of whose involved.
Certainly no harm for the innocent its only the guilty that need to worry. This will be the 5th anniversary of that tragic day and what do we have to show for it? Trillion dollars wasted, wars in Afghanistan,Iraq and soon Iran. 2267 dead soldiers, maybe 40,000 wounded..100,000 dead (or more) Iraqi's maybe 200,000 wounded. Iraq in many areas reduced to rubble. Strife in Syria.
Yes, I strongly feel reopening 911 would be a great November issue for the Democrats because millions of Americans want true answers to who,what,when how did those buildings collapse. In the video Confronting the Evidence chapter 7 I clearly see at least 50 black squibs of detonation smoke on the North side of World Trade 7 a clear signature of a controlled demolition.. so, 911 needs to be pounded again and this time with authority.

[glitch]

15. It is for this reason (among others of course) that the bots in power will

do anything to stay in power.
"911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB AND THE COLLAPSE OF WORLD TRADE 7 IS A NASTY LOOSE END FOR THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY"

Do they even deny demolishing building 7 (wasn't that where CIA archives were stored)?

[DemInDistress]

21. Yes the CIA offices AND the S.E.C. was on the 12th floor

the S.E.C. was criminally investigating cheney and halliburton. Funny, after WT1 collapsed at 10:30am no fires on that floor but around noon a raging fire broke out on the S.E.C. floor was it arson? hm its no mere coincidence WT7 COLLAPSED..It was a well planned but poorly executed controlled demolition. Visit reopen911.org and request a free video Confronting the Evidence chapter 7 to me tells a sad story of government gone crazy..Killing their own citizens and planting false evidence, shame on them...

[havocmom]

34. Thank you! I didn't know that about SEC there investigating Cheney!

So, when I get slapped around for my 'conspiracy theory' that Cheney will do ANYTHING to avoid being held accountable for things he does, I will pull the arrow you provided out of my quiver!

There is NOTHING Cheney won't do to protect his own ass. Nothing.

[lady lib]

43. I read that the paperwork on the Enron investigation was there

as well. But I don't know if that's true.

[ArmchairMeme]

22. 911 a Crime

Why did this administration quickly decide there was no need of an investigation?

Is it because they already knew the answers.

Why was the evidence (debris) quickly shipped out of New York?

So no one could inadvertently discover the truth.

So many unanswered questions after a time of crisis for this country.

I think the people want the answers and have from the beginning.

[OneBlueSky]

20. 9/11 is the underpinning of the entire BushCo agenda . . .

from the war in Iraq to domestic spying to slashing domestic programs . . . EVERYTHING they do is predicated on Americans believing THEIR version of what happened on that tragic day . . .

to date, Democrats have been afraid to address this issue -- just as they have been afraid to address election fraud, the real reasons for the Iraq war, and the true state of the economy . . . why? . . . because they think discussing these issues will cost them votes . . .

they are dead wrong . . . telling the TRUTH will, in the long run, earn the trust and respect of the American people . . . remaining complicit in the BushCo lies, however, makes them just as untrustworthy as those perpetrating the lies . . .

on the issue of 9/11, Democrats don't have to even suggest that it might have been an inside job . . . taking such a position would be stupid at this point, and would cause a holy war in the media . . .

what they MUST do, however, is demand that the investigation be re-opened because . . .

a) many facts in evidence do not support the conclusions of the Commission, or the story as it's been reported, and

b) there are scores of questions that remain unanswered -- because they've never been asked by an official investigative body.

Democrats should promise a full, independent and unbiased investigation of ALL of the evidence surrounding 9/11 -- by a body that would include NO politicians, only unbiased experts in reelvant fields (aviation and aeronautics, law enforcement, engineering, physics, etc.). . . . a completely INDEPENDENT body that would do a thorough investigation, find the truth (as best it can be determined), and let the chips fall where they may . . .

which will undoubtedly be squarely on the heads of George W. Bush and his minions . . .

[dogday]

41. What freaked me out was the gold underneath

the twin towers. I guess I was out of the loop but there was a buttfull of gold underneath the basement.

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. 5. Climate change and 6. our use of DU, landmines, and cluster bombs

[AnotherMother4Peace]

18. There is less limbaugh-like arrogance behind the talking points

coming from the Bushbots that I know. They are beginning to doubt themselves and the party line. My co-worker used to blame the trial lawyers for the health care crisis (and everything else). The other day she actually questioned that argument. And the two ladies that used to blame Clinton for the sinking economy, are starting to worry about their children's future, & they're not blaming Clinton anymore.

To me, in my little corner of the world, it seems people are starting to question these stupid one-liners coming out of the Republican party. Perhaps their lies are starting to take a toll

[dogday]

19. Of these 4 - 9-11 will be the hardest to persuade anyone

It took me a while to accept it.

No one talks about the what happened in May 2001.


The US and Afghanistan were having talks for the US to lease land for a Trans-American Pipeline that would run through several countries to the sea. These talks broke down in May 2001, in which the Taliban said that they wanted nothing to do with the US...Just a few months later, the same people who did not want nothing to do with us, attack us? And we go to war and get our pipeline....

[DemInDistress]

27. may 11 2001...how about april 2001..

james "stop the recount" baker laments," The advance of PNAC will likely be a slow one absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a NEW PEARL HARBOR" HM.Coincidentally, 4 months later a New Pearl Harbor and it even fooled me. I gave my support and trust to that POS POTUS and he promised a full investigation,well. What did we get as a full and complete investigation,the house/senate joint committee report came back with 28 REDACTED PAGES..WHY? Then, bush/cheney threaten daschle if he goes forward with an independent 911 inquiry..surely the stink then woke me up and I got off that train wreck..plus there is a ton of 911 stuff unanswered unchallenged, so we need to DEMAND a new look and take nothing else.
In the early fog of 911 it was easy to be fooled (I was) but that fog has cleared and I am a MAD ANGRY NEW YORK CITY RESIDENT WHO WILL NOT REST UNTIL I GET ANSWERS OR GITMO...LOL

[petgoat]

29. A former Pakistani diplomat said that in July, 2001

he was told that military action was planned against Afghganistan before the first snowfall.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

Some reports say that the Afghanis were offered the choice between a "carpet of gold"
or a "carpet of bombs".

[BelgianMadCow]

38. I have always thought of this as the real start of it all

thanks for the reminder

[Beam Me Up]

23. "... knowledge brings reponsibility."

I posted this in another thread where you mentioned these four issues but I want to put it in this thread too. Michael Hasty's essay "Parnaoid Shift" (link, below) sets the ground work for understanding something about the real enemies of Democracy. We have to understand that anything that decentralizes wealth, power and chains of communication are a direct threat to the ESTABLISHED structures of power. They are threatened by "decentralization" and "sustainability" precisely because it threatens their hegemony and control.

What we are up against isn't anything new. Tyranny takes many forms and has strongly influenced if not directly shaped the directions of human history from the beginning of civilization. By "tyranny" I'm speaking of a fundamental lie that leads us to a less than full realization of our own natures. We are now at a crossroads in human history, however, which demands a new awareness, a new attitude toward one's self and that self's place in the world. I'm speaking not only of Americans but of all citizens of this Earth. What we are up against is greater than nations. The most important thing, in my opinion, is to never fall prey to the thought that overcoming what confronts us is impossible. Every great and empowering myth (in the true meaning of the word) shows the hero overcoming impossible odds. We are Frodo, and it is up to us to destroy the true ring of power, which is the power lies and tyranny hold over the mind.

...knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"—like the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A paradigm shift.

Paranoid Shift

[Lorien]

24. Add a fifth: Climate Change

Most people would rather dwell on smaller matters, which is why "swiftboating" gains so much traction. As Hitler himself said (paraphrasing);the more outrageous truth is,the more the people will be willing to accept it only as a "big lie". All five issues are so extreme in their seriousness and so dire in their consequences that the majority of Americans honestly can't handle the truth, even though they MUST hear it.

[Joe Fields]

25. let's not forget Buysh's sordid, secret past.

From his fratboy days, to his criminal business dealings.

[FrenchieCat]

26. They also don't want to hear

That our media is 90% owned by Corporation who could care less about "The Truth"!

[petgoat]

31. If Americans wanted the truth, the media would give it to them.

It gives them soft-core porn like "Desperate Housewives" instead.

Let's hope the media's market research is as wrong as Detroit's was
back in the '70's before the Japanese taught them how to make cars.

Let's teach the media how to sell truth!

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/

[FrenchieCat]

36. I'm all for takingbackthemedia.....

But I don't know if the problem is that Americans don't want the truth as much as the corporations not wanting America to have it. Guess it is a chicken vs. egg type of thing.

[helderheid]

30. don't forget too the truth about who owns and controls the media n/t

[beltanefauve]

32. And another truth:

The levees breaking in NOLA were a LIHOP, a deliberate genocide and relocation by neglect, that the powers that be really are racist and classist.

[Protagoras]

33. Hated the movie but Jack had it right

"You can't handle the truth!" should be the motto for our nation these days.

[Festivito]

35. KATRINA is the easiest for RWers to grasp, and they did. It's key.

Not many realize that in the PLENTY OF BLAME game, Dems turned over all docs, while RepubliCONs did NOT.

The closer they look at Katrina, the scarier it becomes, and, especially, the more they look, the more it resembles 9/11.

Katrina has been, and continues to be key.

[PassingFair]

37. Why do you hate America?

:sarcasm:

Even when they know the answers, they don't care.

We're living amongst pod people.

Maybe it's always been this way.

[DemInDistress]

42. when gopers/freepers/freeptards say,why do you hate america

I reply," wrong, I love America its the management that sucks" they shut up..lol try it sometime

[helderheid]

39. curious this was moved to the 9/11 forum and not the election reform one

[OneBlueSky]

45. curious and annoying . . . it seems that any thread that even mentions . .

9/11 is relegated to a minor board . . . I understand that in-depth discussions of the issue should be there . . . but 9/11 is intimately connected to all kinds of other issues, the discussion of which is greatly diminished if we can't even mention that date . . .

[helderheid]

47. I have no problem keeping election issues in GD and I like it that way -

why not 9/11 issues?

[hack89]

40. Don't forget officiating at the Super Bowl. nt

[corbett]

44. Truth For Item 1

Superb post! You're exactly right. Please visit the following page to help spread the truth about 9/11.

https://secure.reopen911.org/freedvd.php