Where is the evidence that OBL was behind 9/11?

[G_j]

just askin' :shrug:

[babsbunny]

1. Well, I don't know!

Good question!:toast:

[tridim]

2. What, you don't trust the word of the BFEE?

There is no evidence, just "trust us".

[Mr Rabble]

3. Well...

*crickets chirping*

*tumbleweeds rolling by*

*looks away while whistling*

[madinmaryland]

Didn't OBL say he was behind it?

:shrug:

[sabra]

5. actually his first response was that he wasn't...

[htuttle]

8. Ask any experienced police detective...

...any time there is a high profile crime, any number of loons come out of the woodwork claiming credit for it. Merely possessing some sort of 'confession' is not enough to assure you've gotten the right person. You still need to prove that they actually did it if you really care about getting the right person.

And Osama's 'confession' to the deed is questionable at best. Especially since it would enhance his own image to claim responsibility (amongst those that he cares to enhance his image with, that is).

[radwriter0555]

16. He didn't confess to anything..... he knew about it, but took no credit

for it.

[kenny blankenship]

11. Is that evidence of anything?

Seriously. If you think about it, it proves nothing at all.

[JohnnyCougar]

4. Did he not claim responsibility?

[jayfish]

14. The Guy On The Left Did...

but the guy on the right didn't as far as I know.


http://www.awitness.org/news/december_2001/osama_nose_job.html

Jay

[Crankie Avalon]

6. He claims credit for it, for one thing...

...and weren't the 19 known highjackers all positively linked to him?

[Bridget Burke]

7. Where's your information on the links between Osama....

And the 19 hijackers?

[SteppingRazor]

22. The 9/11 Commission report, for starters...

the final report of which named Khalid Shaikh Muhammed as the planner behind 9/11, a man who in turn reported to Bin Laden. So, to say Bin Laden was directly responsible is slightly inaccurate. But it's even more inaccurate to say he had nothing to do with it.

[G_j]

33. that is the sort of info

I was wondering about.

It was a serious question, considering the 'media' just treats it as a given. I've never really heard a clear case laid out to explain why. I haven't read most of the 9/11 report, though I think some sort official criminal proceedings might be more credible.

[SteppingRazor]

35. You really gotta read the thing for yourself...

Even though it's extrememly long and -- usually -- utterly dull. The problem is that everyone from the media to the administration to the conspiracy nuts all twist it to prmote their own views. My advice is to read it for yourself. You can still pick it up at most major bookstores.

[rman]

74. doesn't the report omit tracking the financing of 9-11?

Does it not basically say "we don't follow the money"?

Does anyone ever wonder what is in the 28 pages that are missing from the report?


BUSH AND THE SAUDIS SITTIN' IN A TREE . . . KAY EYE ESS ESS EYE EN GEE
The President Exempts Gays from Marriage, Saudis from Guilt Web Log
Friday, August 1, 2003
by Greg Palast
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=253&row=1

<snip>

But here's the real kick in the head. Turns out that unlike the 18 minutes missing from the Nixon tape, the 28 pages missing from Congress' publicly released report on the September 11 attack has been found. And it turns out to be a summary of Saudi Arabia's financing of terrorist fronts including the 'charities' supporting Al Qaeda.

<more>

======

Also there's Sibel Edmonds' story about ties between US politicians and Saudi terror financing.

"...money laundering, drugs and terrorist activities and their support networks converging in several points. And this money travels. And you start trying to go to the root of it and it's getting into somebody's political campaign, and somebody's lobbying..."
-- Sibel Edmonds, FBI whistleblower

Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344

[Servotron]

44. The "9/11 Commission" was the Warren Commission, part 2

Nothing but an orchestrated coverup designed to conceal the real crimes. And nowhere is that fact more evident than in the selection of Thomas Kean to be the chairman of the commission. Kean is business partners with Khalid Bin Mahfouz, who is himself not only a known financer of terrorism, but also Osama Bin Laden's brother in law.

Kevin Bacon jokes all aside, that's just too few degrees of seperation to be ignored.

[stickdog]

63. The 9/11 Commission Report makes these claims, but it

doesn't back them up with any evidence.

[MakeItSo]

69. Even Harpers called the 9/11 Commission Report a "whitewash"

Don't bother bringing that up around here. More holes than swiss cheese in a rat cage.

[QuettaKid]

9. oh yeah. . . .the 19 hijackers. You mean

these guys?

""Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.""

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

[Beam Me Up]

20. HAPPY 1000 POST DAY< QuettaKid!

:hi:

[Crankie Avalon]

31. OK...

...how about if we take Mohammed Atta, though, whom we can be pretty sure was one of the hijackers. One of the supposed ringleaders, in fact. Wasn't he connected to Al Quaida and isn't Usama Bin Laden one of Al Quaida's leaders?

I'm just asking, not trying to be difficult. You seem to know something about it so if you answer I'll be interested.

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. Isn't Atta the one whose passport somehow miraculously

survived the crash and the fire and the collapse of the building to be found in an alley near the WTC?

Just asking.

[Crankie Avalon]

46. Yes, I think he was one...

...and didn't they also find the passport of another one beside him at WTC? They also found one in the wreckage of the plane that went down in PA, I think.

[htuttle]

17. Most of the 19 'known hijackers' were not in fact the 'known hijackers'

Given that several of them turned up alive after the fact, and several others were known to be using fake identification, I'd say we aren't really sure WHO the 19 hijackers were, outside a few seconds of video taken in the Boston airport (and that only shows somebody walking through the terminal).

Oh, and there's also the issue of the 'magic passport' found undamaged on top of the rubble in NYC, but if you believe that crock of shit...:shrug:

[Crankie Avalon]

27. OK...

...for the sake of asking, though, what about Mohammed Atta? Is it safe to say he was definitely one of the hijackers, that he was connected to Al Quaida, and that Usama Bin Laden is one of the leaders of Al Quaida?

[htuttle]

34. Well, there's actually as much evidence to suggest..

...that Mohammed Atta was connected to Jack Abramoff as there is he was connected to al Queda (given that he visited the Abramoff-connected Sun Cruz casino shortly before 9/11).

Seriously, I'm not suggesting that al Queda didn't necessarily pull it off. I'm suggesting that there is a disturbing lack of forensic evidence, and there has been a disturbing lack of interest in *gathering* forensic evidence. And the circumstantial evidence they do have is very thin -- probably NOT enough for a conviction. Why not, considering the importance of the matter?

And what about the Atta connections to Pakistani intelligence? (to the tune of $100K or so) Why were those apparently never followed up? Why were the other money connections apparently never followed up?

[Crankie Avalon]

36. I don't know...maybe that sort of follow up...

...might have revealed things some in this country would prefer to keep hidden? I know this is a naive and obvious post, but I sure wish we had had an administration that was genuinely loyal to America looking into this.

[G_j]

39. I may be sorely lacking in legal knowledge

but couldn't there have been some sort of criminal proceedings,
a situation where evidence is presented in front of a judge or something?

I too have been puzzled why the whole thing has been treated as a 'given'.

[kenny blankenship]

40. They can blow half the world away and sink this country financially foreve

in order to seize oil producing lands under the justification of revenge and "preventing another 9/11" but they can't come up with enough evidence to convict anyone who didn't die in the planes of the attack. They don't preserve evidence or release evidence or conduct open investigations.
Eventually it makes one skeptical of all official claims made concerning 9/11 and it makes one wonder why getting to the bottom of this crime has been treated as an unwelcome duty.
They had a plan on Bush's desk to invade Afghanistan before 9/11, but at the same time, they're suffocating investigations of possible terrorist activities, activities that led to the 9/11 attack.

It could be simple incompetence that's behind these strange contradictions... But it could also be something else.

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. How do you know? Have you ever met the guy? Are you sure

that Atta was Atta? Was his body recovered? And just who told us about him?

[Crankie Avalon]

50. No, I never met him...

...but wasn't he on the manifest of the flight? http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/100401.htm

[htuttle]

52. Well, no. That's one of the weird things about it

None of the hijackers seem to appear on any of the published passenger lists of the planes that actually crashed. Atta's last known confirmed position (from security video tape) was walking through Boston airport that morning. After that, there doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence WHAT happened to him.

[neverevergivein]

23. I don't think it was Osama

call me tin foil hatted if you wish.

[Crankie Avalon]

28. I don't think you're being tin foil hatted...

...at least, not about this. :evilgrin:

[leftofthedial]

70. "known" hijackers?

see above

some guy in a turban made a dubious "confession."

the same people who invented the official story are the ones who told us that guy was OBL and also told us (inaccurately) what he said.

[BrotherBuzz]

10. Quiet, the Taliban asked the same question and got bombed

I'm just saying....

[leftofthedial]

71. that's a fact

they also were guilty of owning the land where Unocal wanted a pipeline.

[maxsolomon]

12. i had it, but i lost it on the bus

al queda fucking did it, ok? we need to beat their ass, but no other muslim's ass, despite how much they might annoy us, and end our self-destructive gluttony that funds & fuels their backwards-ass religious fanaticism. but we won't because our government is composed of short-sighted oiligarchal yahoos.

stop with the MIHOP. LIHOP, fine, keep tinfoiling.

[we can do it]

66. MIHOP MIHOP MIHOP MIHOP

Who benefitted from 9/11 - Booshco.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

73. It was really something else altogether...

I see it as DIFFAP

Did It For Fun And Profit.

Any takers ?

[radwriter0555]

13. Well the FBI has never accused him of involvement, if you take a look at

their MOST WANTED site on him, there is no mention of 911.

[Beam Me Up]

15. In this 9/28/01 interview, he denies any involvement in 9/11.

Ummat Interviews Usamah Bin-Ladin
28 September 2001

Bin-Ladin Denies Involvement in the 9/11 Attacks

Source: Khilafah.com, 10 Oct 2001

The Al-Qaidah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usama bin Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat. Usama bin Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret services were behind the attacks, and to express gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging Pakistan's people to jihad against the West. The following is the text of an interview conducted by a "special correspondent", published in the Pakistani newspaper Ummat on 28 September, place and date of interview not given.

The full interview is here: http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

[SteppingRazor]

24. Yes, but he admitted involvement in a later interview...

you should probably mention that, no?

[Beam Me Up]

26. Perhaps you have a link to that interview you could provide us?

[SteppingRazor]

30. It's famous, fer chrissake. Here's the wiki on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video


Do you really not remember this?

[sabra]

45. was that the one, where he looked like he gained 20 pounds?

[kenny blankenship]

48. and apparently had his nose shortened by 2 inches

[Beam Me Up]

51. He doesn't exactly come right out and say it, though, does he?

Thank you for the link you provided. Here is a link to the full text:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Text_of_2004_Osama_bin_Laden_videotape

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.
The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.
The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children—also in Iraq—as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.
This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

Certainly this text can be interpreted as an admission but there is a question here. Why not just come right out and say it, right from the get-go, instead of three years after the fact? Why not say it plainly and flat out instead of couching it ambiguously?

Ultimately, from my point of view, it doesn't really matter WHAT Osama bin Laden says. Why? Because I believe this statement by Webster Tarpley to be most accurate: Terrorism in the modern era is the means by which oligarchies wage secret wars against the people which it would be politically impossible to wage openly. In other words what we are led to call "terrorism" is in fact a covert strategy of CLASS WARFARE against the common citizenry of every nation. Bin Laden is and has always been an agent provocateur. How did bin Laden benefit from the events of 9/11? Here he seems to claim revenge of a sort. Is that it? Revenge? After all, they really do only hate us for our freedom? Yet we see that those who hold the political and financial reigns of power in our country have benefited tremendously by allowing them to institute both domestic and foreign policies that have all but eviscerated our Constitution while simultaneously undermining the rule of international law AND used these events to transfer hundreds of billions of dollars from one sector of society to another. Qui Bono? It certainly wasn't bin Laden or Islam or Afghanistan or Iraq and it certainly wasn't the American people.

[leftofthedial]

72. the one in which the bush gang's translation is the only one

in which the fat guy in the turban "confesses"? That one?

Yeah. It's famous.

[mikita]

18. Saddam has it....

:evilgrin:

[Wilms]

19. Here's proof.

[ovidsen]

21. Who's saying he wasn't?

I mean, really. He says he organized it. His supporters say he did. Independent reports say he did. People and organizations who want him dead say he did.

Theories that BushCo, or some Zionist cabal planned it will persist for all eternity, but when your number one suspect just plain brags about his role in 9/11, it's seems silly to argue otherwise.

I'd say that question's settled.

[QuettaKid]

29. and now, for my 1,000th post.

re: 9/11......who benefits? look at what OBL got out of it, and then look at what BFEE got out of it.

'just sayin.
OK, now to celebrate....WHOOOO!!!! 1,000 POSTS!!! GO ME!!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[shance]

58. LOL! Where in the world did OBL "brag" about his role in 9/11?

He stated he was NOT involved.

Where are you pulling your information from?

[ovidsen]

60. Where did Osama say he DIDN'T have a role in 9/11???

Just askin'...

And I never said he "bragged" about it.

[stickdog]

65. Where did Elvis say he DIDN'T have a role in 9/11?

Elvis is obviously just as guilty as Osama. Right?

[nomatrix]

68. You never said he bragged about it?

post #21

"Theories that BushCo, or some Zionist cabal planned it will persist for all eternity, but when your number one suspect just plain brags about his role in 9/11, it's seems silly to argue otherwise."

[pauldp]

59. The guy on the right (E) bragged about it not Osama

[stickdog]

64. Don't terrorist groups often take credit for "successes" that

they had nothing to do with?

What "indepedent reports" said he did it? Based on what?

3,000 Americans are dead. Why does it seem "silly" to you to ask for hard evidence of the actual culprits?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

25. Here's all the "evidence"...

that Osama did 9/11.

http://www.september11news.com/OsamaEvidence.htm

You'll note, the evidence that is used to say Osama claimed credit is none other that the "fat Osama" tape. Otherwise, if I am remembering correclty, he never came right and claimed credit.

[H2O Man]

32. You might enjoy

chapter 5 of Imperial Hubris.

[G_j]

43. that is the book by CIA agent "anonymous" correct? n/t

[H2O Man]

49. Yes.

Michael Scheuer, who also wrote "Through Our Enemies' Eyes." He has been more outspoken since retiring.

[rocktivity]

38. Don't you remember Bush telling you right after 9/11 that the attack

had "Osama's fingerprints all over it"?

:P
rocknation

[The_Casual_Observer]

41. Very little is known about any of it, till this very day.

[Bridget Burke]

47. Was he "linked"---or the "Criminal Mastermind"?

The image of OBL as a James-Bond-Villain, planning dastardly deeds from his hidden fortress is not quite believable.

More likely that he provided funds & some encouragement. Or just cheered after the fact.

[RaleighNCDUer]

54. Of course, if he WAS a criminal mastermind he would have arranged

for the hijackings to take place on a day that there were three different training scenarios being conducted concerning hijack scenarios and air traffic response so as to slow the response to the real situation going down. He might also have arranged that the Air Force would not scramble jets in response to the hijackings until it was too late for them to do anything about it. And cleverest of all, he would have made sure that no one in the government would pay any attention to terrorist activites for 10 months prior to the attack.

Yes, whoever could pull that off would be a criminal mastermind.

[donkeyotay]

53. You've been moved to the backwater. Blair was shown the "evidence"

I listened as carefully then for the evidence for attacking Afghanistan as I later waited for bush to "make the case" for attacking Iraq. It was never shown to the American people - national security prevented that. The evidence was shown to Blair and he pronounced it good.

[G_j]

55. interesting

of course Blair's credibility is in the crapper at this point.

[oblivious]

75. Blair promised to share the "evidence" when he got it, but he didn't.

National security, my ass. There was no evidence. The head of the FBI even confirmed there was none.

[Name removed]

56. Deleted message

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[killtown]

57. OVERWHELMING evidence points to BushCo

Laughable evidence points to OBL! Hell, the bin Ladens and Bush are CONNECTED for pete's sake!


Just look at the evidence:

3 pieces point to OBL. (add the 2nd fake video of OBL that came out right before the elections as I essentially predicted)

200+ pieces point to BushCo.


It's not rocket science people. :bounce:

[oblivious]

62. One thing that made me laugh about that 2nd fake Osama - the beard.

He was the first person I'd ever seen whose beard had substantially less grey in it than several years before. Your pic shows that perfectly. :rofl:

[DemInDistress]

61. evidence....we don't need no stinkin evidence

its enough to just say we know osama did it..lol rotf that stinking bush and his crime family.
as a matter of fact there is more video evidence that 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. and not some sheethead living in a cave. plus who stood to gain? osama? how about Carlyle,Halliburton,Pentagon and a few others also big oil..

[leftofthedial]

67. there is none

none

zip

nada

zilch

a bogus tape with generic comments that may or may not refer to 9-11

[killtown]

76. I've noticed Hack, Fenton, Make7, LARED, & sabbat

have stayed CLEAR from this thread. I wonder why???