Chemtrails in the Sky

[adolfo]

Has anyone here noticed a recent increase in chemtrails? (those big white cloud lines in the sky made from planes) Is there an official government acknowledgement about it yet?

I'm in Florida.

[marylanddem]

1. I've noticed more. in D.C. suburbs. n/t

[adolfo]

2. Thanks

Thanks for responding. Do you know if this issue been debunked yet?

[LunaSea]

4. A couple of books on optical sky phenomena

Rainbows, Halos, and Glories by Robert Greenler -1980 Cambridge U Press

The Nature of Light and Color in the Open Air by M. Minnaert-1954 Dover books

Might give you some background on understanding what is (and isn't) natural phenomena in the skies.

I'm still puzzling over how ice crystals can do this-







Chinese Proverb
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.

[philb]

7. I don't think it has; but I don't follow it

there is a lot of info on it if you do a google search

[MercutioATC]

19. Depends on what you mean by "debunked"...

Is there a perfectly natural reason for contrails, yes.

Have there been ANY confirmed reports of commercial planes spraying chemicals (except crop dusters)? No.

Since the government already controls the water supply and air quality testing is so prevalent, would it make ANY sense to spread chemicals by air? No.

This is pure conspiracy theory. There's not one credible piece of evidence to support it.

[jim3775]

3. This is what causes them

The trails are caused by the plane's exhaust combining with cold low pressure air. The days when planes are flying and the sky is blue is because the upper atmospheric air is warm, with high humidity and high pressure, the days when there are a lot of trails the air is cold, calm, with low low humidity and low pressure.

Someone commented in the thread that got locked about how they saw the pilot "turning it on" this is probably the airplane flying out of a warm updraft.

Of course the airplane exhaust is bad for the environment but they aren't spraying some sort of chemical. Cars put out harmful exhaust too but nobody says "it is a plot to spray chemicals out of the back of cars".

[adolfo]

5. Question

I understand exhaust and temperature but how does it stay up in the sky for so long? Shouldn't it just break up like water vapor?

[MercutioATC]

18. It depends on atmospheric conditions.

That aside, do you REALLY think that the government could attach chemical sprayers to civilian aircraft without anybody noticing? It's just water vapor.

[philb]

13. Here is someone's fact sheet on chem trails found by google search

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/About_Chemtrails.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa/
this is from a group that tracks chem trails:

We suggest you visit these sites, for the most up-to-date information on these subjects:

Great overview of chemtrails -- http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

Weather modification and chemtrails – http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadarMatrix2003

http://www.radarmatrix.com Chemtrail Illness – http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailmeds2

Cloudbusters -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters

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[AndrewJohnson]

20. Exhaust Only or Exhaust and 'Something Else'?

The science generally doesn't support the case that it is just ordinary exhaust fumes.

http://www.checktheevidence.com/articles/chem%20trails.htm

How about a Time Lapse video to illustrate the difference between the 2 types of trails?

http://www.checktheevidence.com/ContrailsVsChemtrails.wmv

You decide folks...

[TheWraith]

25. Basic reasoning skills knock you down.

Atmospheric conditions are infinitely variable, and can result in contrails that stay for hours versus contrails not forming at all. Not to mention the fact that videos are easily altered by people with axes to grind. I'm not talking about you, but many conspiracy theorists play extremely fast and loose with the truth, infering absolute proof from tricks of perspective, tortured reasoning, and assumptions that are completely unsupported by the science that they claim backs them up.

[MercutioATC]

26. A REAL problem with one of those link's hypothesis...

The author of the first link repeatedly states that contrails that persist more than two minutes are somehow abnormal. To support this theory, he uses the example of how long one's breath is visible in cold weather.

It's a completely irrelevant comparison unless your breath is leaving your mouth at over 500 degrees and the outside air is minus fifty degrees or so...and that doesn't take such basic factors as air density into consideration.

As is nearly always the case, contrails are only "suspicious" to laypersons.

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[LunaSea]

8. This topic always gets locked and/or deleted

Some folks even timed them back during the peak of the hurricane season. I recollect the record being about 20 seconds before it went 'poof'.

[adolfo]

9. Sigh

It is part of the moderator policy. I guess they consider it no different than bigfoot and Elvis sightings.

Such a shame. There are valid arguments on both sides of the issue.

[hack89]

10. The mods are right.... n/t

[undergroundrailroad]

11. Thanks for being supportive of the moderators.

We appreciate it.

:hi:

[hack89]

12. Love and kisses to you! nt

[JackieO]

14. Which part of this thread is about 9/11?

:shrug:

[philb]

15. There are many who claim there is a big connection between O.C. & WTC

if interested, do a google search;
I've done one and saw lots of info on that.

[hack89]

16. This is the general conspiracy forum. nt

[mirandapriestly]

22. No, it isn't. NT

[hack89]

24. I was tongue in cheek..

all the fringe stuff seems to end up here none the less. It is clear that Skinner is trying to avoid having DU in its entirety be labeled as a "moon bat conspiracy site" by segregating those poster with more active imaginations.

[Silverhair]

27. Yes, it is. Read the rules. Here is the quote:

Posts about so-called "conspiracy theories" are not permitted on Democratic Underground, except in the September 11 forum.

[DemonFighterLives]

17. Touchy subject

Most people will blow you off as a nutcase. Until you see them.
I have been around 46 years, but never seen trails like I did a year ago. In a relatively pristine part of central MN. The entires sky was crosshatched and clouds were forming. I was awestruck. I have only seen relatively few if any chemtrails since. If you look at a normal plane, the trails always disappear shortly afterwards.
Good Luck with your search.

Edit: I brought you one link

http://www.hereinreality.com/chemtrails/

[mirandapriestly]

21. Why is this in 9-11? NT

[adolfo]

23. Moved post

The post was originally in the General Forum and quickly moved by a moderator.

[soulcore]

28. I can'r ever resist a good chemtrails discussion

I never pretend to know WHAT they're spraying, but my deductive reasoning knows it ain't water vapor.




http://www.stolenskies.net/database

:tinfoilhat:

[hack89]

29. Nice contrails! nt