Are there professional disinformation agents on this forum?

[spooked911]

Are there professional disinformation agents on this forum: agents who either promote wacky conspiracy disinfo to discredit honest 9/11 research or agents who promote the official story to try to suppress honest investigation into 9/11?

Any comments on this matter?

[PerpetualYnquisitive]

1. I think that I found someone to keep an eye on....

Just thought that I would out myself before Fintan gets the credit for doing so.

I'm really a native american XON, that can change into a guanaco. It was this ability that allowed me to infiltrate C.S.I.S. and THIS very forum to gather intelligence for the crystal scaled, quantum dimensional, leporidae that exist on the dark side of the moon.

As a XON, I am impervious to all forms attack, as my only vulnerability is my enchanted organ of Corti, it is only the intro for Winamp by DJ Mike Llama(blasphemer) by which I can be harmed.

Now where did I leave my tinfoil tights?

From here: http://tinyurl.com/855z5 :evilgrin:

[spooked911]

3. what is an "XON"?

I followed everything you said except for that. :crazy:

[PerpetualYnquisitive]

4. Dual meaning....

but I am using it as an obscure reference to a shaman or medicine man, etc.

It is significant that the Selk'nam have the same verb for "singing" and for "falling into trance" (yewín). (28) And in general singing and magic powers are in their conception if not identical, yet very closely connected. Sometimes the vocation for shamanhood (xon) is recognized at an early stage from the circumstance that the boy often sings -even in his sleep. (29) The adept becomes a shaman when the "wayuwen" of a deceased xon relative passes over to him. Wayuwen is the personal witchcraft (probably even conceived as an independent personality), the being of the deceased medicine man and at the same time his personal song or more exactly his particularly bewitching manner of singing. One might just as well say: "I have seen my relative in a dream, he is going to be my wayuwen", as: "He will give me his song!" (30) The wayuwen accompanies the xon as his guardian spirit, is always near him and is evoked by song before every act of magic; as soon as it has entered the shaman it takes over singing, the shaman merely lends it his voice. Or to express it in our rationalistic language: the xon sings until song and movements have grown automatical, which of course happens sooner with older people with a great deal of yewín experience than with novices; at any rate even they need 30 to 40 minutes before falling into trance and they do not by any means always succeed. (31) The hours after midnight are preferred for singing. His wayuwen which might be called his personal style, and his singing are characteristic of the medicine man (examples nos. 19, 20). At any rate it happens that close relatives softly join in with the song. (32) (Even with the Indians of North America the conception of personal witch songs revealed by the totem animal or in dreams is familiar).
http://tinyurl.com/awca9

The other meaning: http://tinyurl.com/7reyo

[spooked911]

2. Sorry, please remove "either" from the third option

should be "Yes, agents who promote wacky conspiracy disinfo to discredit honest 9/11 research"

[Kevin Fenton]

5. No

I voted no.

LARED, Mercutio, Make7 et al. all seem to be expressing honesty held opinions, the others don't post regularly enough for them to be paid disinfo agents. I don't think the case for an inside job has been proved to such an extent that a person could not honestly disbelieve it and it would be very wrong to call somebody a disinfo agent just because he disagrees with me.

My feeling with disinfo is that it would be done differently - if you ask me the Pentagon video stills are disinfo. Nobody agrees with anybody else here anyway, so what would be the point of trying to change somebody's mind without coming up with new "evidence"? AFAIK the only new "evidence" posted here this year was the finding of the other name ("Mosear Caned") on the list of American 77 hijackers, but I doubt Redsock's a disinfo agent. In fact, on my list of people who are definitely not disnifo agents Redsock is quite high.

[spooked911]

9. In all honesty, I am quite suspicious of anyone who spends an inordinate

amount of time here defending the official story. I won't name names, but I don't trust anyone who won't question in the least the official story-- which is clearly wrong on many points.

You don't have to believe in an extreme 9/11 conspiracy, but I can't see how anyone can accept the official story if they are as smart as they appear here.

[Kevin Fenton]

13. Generally

My impression is that the people here who disagree with us CT'ers are not fans of Bushco, but just think that we are barking up the wrong tree - and that out energies would be better directed, say, drawing attention to the problems in Iraq or the increasing importance in the US of having capital rather than entrepreneurship. Also, I have to admit that there is so much crap (missiles, holograms, etc.) and so many unsavoury characters (for example the Israeli-bashers, the UFO people) attached to the "9-11 truth movement" that it's no surprise people are put off. I seem to remember that both LARED and Mercutio endorsed some theory they called Let It Happen Through Incompetence (correct me if I'm wrong), which I understood to mean that the current administration knew there were problems with intelligence and deliberately failed to fix them, thus increasing the likelihood of a terrorist attack against the US. However, they had no specific advance knowledge of the attacks themselves.

"You don't have to believe in an extreme 9/11 conspiracy, but I can't see how anyone can accept the official story if they are as smart as they appear here."
Perhaps someone might appear to accept the official theory here, whilst not actually doing so in its entirety. He might then make us work damn hard to make our points just for the sake of promoting intellectual rigour. How many times have you seen sloppy reasoning and a total absence of fact-checking being welcomed with an orgy of mutual congratulation? How does it make you feel?

[pox americana]

14. Uh, speaking of crap...

Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing that the government DIDN'T know about the hijackers? And that the WTC demolitions were carried out for safety reasons?

Oh, and pumping up the "concrete core"?

[Kevin Fenton]

15. Hijackers, etc.

My position on the hijackers is that either
(1) The government didn't know about them; or
(2) They knew, but, for some (semi-)legitimate reason (or illegitimate reason not connected to the the planes operation), they hadn't rolled the group up by 9/11.
This is just a preliminary position based on my gut feeling. If you're not convinced, then there's certainly no 100% sure-fire proof I can give you to show that the government didn't know. Perhaps further information will appear and I will change my position. That was the case with Able Danger, maybe we will get more - I'm sure there's lots more information about the hijackers waiting to be revealed.

My position on the Twin Tower demolitions is that the explosives were put there for safety reasons, not that they were used for safety reasons - how could I know why they were used? My gut feeling is that the VP somehow managed to improperly force it during the emergency. I have no fixed opinion on seven.

My position on the core is that it probably included the 47-steel columns the design team claim (I just can't see Robertson et al. lying), but that perhaps there is something to be gained by purusing related lines of inquiry.

[janedoe]

16. How many "first dates" are required?

"He might then make us work damn hard to make our points just for the sake of promoting intellectual rigour."

How many proofs (with rigor) of the same thing are required? Often, it's the same question that must be proven over again, and again... as if the purpose is to consume time and energy of anyone who will take the bait. There are folks here who have had concepts proven to them by a dozen different people. And, each time, the one asking for the proof acts as if he is playing the Drew Barrymore role in "50 first dates."

[Kevin Fenton]

17. 50 first dates

That's a fair point - I don't know. There's no rule that says you have to reply to everything. If you don't like somebody, then perhaps it would be better to ignore them. There are certainly posters I ignore here because I don't think their arguments are valid or will have any impact and I don't enjoy discussing things with them.

[janedoe]

18. So, you agree.

We should ignore the disinfo agents, rather than be their enablers. ;-)

[Christophera]

22. Very Important Sign: No Witness On A BB, Or None Accountable. Mods Job

Exactly, the same question proven over and over again. Then another chimes in that has also seen the proof any number of times. It reeks of insincerity and manipulation.

Posted by janedoe

And, each time, the one asking for the proof acts as if he is playing the Drew Barrymore role in "50 first dates."

Drew had a party online for the people efforts to discuss events, share evidence and determine what the truth is, or is not.

[RedSock]

19. thanks

not quite sure why you mentioned me; maybe because i'm not posting here a lot and i stay well out of the CD/core and F77 discussions

i could use the money though .........:smoke:

[Make7]

6. Ah, very clever. Trying to determine if your cover has been compromised?nt

[spooked911]

7. you illustrate my point

How do we know what any of the regular poster's motives here are?

[Make7]

8. So you don't deny then. (n/t)

[spooked911]

10. I deny that I am a professional disinformation agent

--cross my heart and hope to die.

[Make7]

11. That's exactly what you would say if you WERE a disinfo agent.

I'm just kidding - I voted no.

:) Make7

[NecessaryOnslaught]

12. Couldn't possibly be, not here in the land of the free...

Only in Commie China! ;-)

May 19, 2005

BEIJING – China has formed a special force of undercover online commentators to try to sway public opinion on controversial issues on the Internet, a newspaper said on Thursday.... Their job was to defend the government when negative comments appeared on Internet bulletin boards and chatrooms, the weekly quoted local officials as saying.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/computing/20050519-0617-china-internet.html

[LARED]

20. The pay stinks

This disinfo career is for the birds. It's piece works at 10 cents per post, no union, no bennies, no vacation, everyone thinks your lying. Even my wife is starting to doubt if I give her the straight scoop. The kids are embarrassed to tell anyone what I do, and Bush forgot to send me a Christmas card.

All I got was this lousy tee-shirt



http://jitcrunch.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?bG9hZD1ibGFuayxibGFuazoyX0YuanBnfGxvYWQ9TDAsaHR0cDovL3pvb20uY2FmZXByZXNzLmNvbS82LzgwMzYxNl96b29tLmpwZ3x8c2NhbGU9TDAsNzgsNjh8Y29tcG9zZT1ibGFuayxMMCxBZGQsMjU5LDEyNXxjcD1yZXN1bHQsYmxhbmt8c2NhbGU9cmVzdWx0LDAsNDgwfGxvYWQ9c2FtcGxlLGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2FmZXByZXNzLmNvbS9jb250ZW50L2dsb2JhbC9pbWcvc2FtcGxlX2NydW5jaF9vdmVybGF5LmdpZnxzY2FsZT1zYW1wbGUsMCw0ODB8Y29tcG9zZT1yZXN1bHQsc2FtcGxlLEFkZCwwLDB8Y29tcHJlc3Npb249OTV8

(Just is case you are a humorless nerd, I am not paid too post here) Honest.

[petgoat]

21. I know my uncle, and he's as honest as me.

And I'm as honest as a Denver man can be,

[Lithos]

23. Locking

This thread is highly inflammatory and inappropriate.