Concrete core vs. 47 steel core colums. So what????

[Informed Citizen]

Can someone please tell me where this debate is leading. What difference does it make? What does is say about the official story, or the alternate view? Is this just a distraction?

- I.C.

[LARED]

1. I think the only point is that if

it is established there was a concrete core, there will be material evidence that there is a government cover-up.

[Informed Citizen]

2. Thanks

Lared,

Thanks for the clarification. We have plenty of evidence of a cover-up, if nothing else. We don't need this crap. Check your inbox.

- I.C.

[NecessaryOnslaught]

3. Is that so LARED?

The REAL crime is the FACT that various government agencies , some on the scene of the crime before it was a crime scene, conspired to remove these massive 47 steel columns before any semblance of a forensic investigation or inspection could be done.

[petgoat]

4. Who ordered the clean up, really?

My understanding is that Giuliani made it his personal mission to get
the site cleared by the time he left office--and this despite the
Firemen's riot against the desecration of the dead and the screams from
Fire Engineering magazine and the House Science Committee.

But clearing the site does not necessarily mean recycling the steel. So
who ordered that? I read somewhere that steel went three other places
besides Fresh Kills, and that some of it was recycled locally.

[NecessaryOnslaught]

6. Bush was essentially "in charge" of the cleanup as per the Stafford Act

Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, as amended by Public Law 106-390, October 30, 2000


§ 5173. DEBRIS REMOVAL {Sec. 407}

1. Authorization for use of Federal assistance and grants to State or local government

The President, whenever he determines it to be in the public interest, is authorized--

1. through the use of Federal departments, agencies, and instrumentalities, to clear debris and wreckage resulting from a major disaster from publicly and privately owned lands and waters; and
2. to make grants to any State or local government or owner or operator of a private non-profit facility for the purpose of removing debris or wreckage resulting from a major disaster from publicly or privately owned lands and waters.

2. State or local government authorization; indemnification of Federal government

No authority under this section shall be exercised unless the affected State or local government shall first arrange an unconditional authorization for removal of such debris or wreckage from public and private property, and, in the case of removal of debris or wreckage from private property, shall first agree to indemnify the Federal Government against any claim arising from such removal.

3. Rules relating to large lots

The President shall issue rules which provide for recognition of differences existing among urban, suburban, and rural lands in implementation of this section so as to facilitate adequate removal of debris and wreckage from large lots.
http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm

So who was first on the scene?? The Army Corps of Engineers.

4.1. EST Activation

"On September 11, 2001, the Emergency Support Team (EST) Level 1 activation occurred at 10:00 AM when the USACE Team Leader was deployed to the scene at WTC. At 11:00 AM, FEMA verbally issued the first set of USACE mission assignments. The mission assignments were issued for national activation, regional activation, to the debris management cell, structural safety specialists, logistics Planning and Response Teams (PRT) and Deployable Tactical Operating Center (DTOC). By the end of September 11th, 58 structural specialists were identified as available for deployment, along with the Debris and Power PRTs that were activated for deployment."......

The USACE’s role in responding to WTC attacks was authorized by the Stafford Act as implemented by the Federal Response Plan (FRP). Under the FRP, the USACE acts as the primary agency for ESF#3, Public Works and Engineering. Although the typical USACE ESF#3 missions include the provision of critical goods and services such as debris removal, water supply, ice supply, temporary housing construction, temporary roofing repair, emergency power supply and structural safety assessment, during the response to the attacks on WTC, the major role of the Corps was the provision of technical assistance for the debris removal operations and the management of the landfill operations
http://www.gwu.edu/~icdrm/publications/usace911/usacerole.html

[LARED]

5. I'm not clear on what that has to do with

concrete verses steel, so what do you think of that issue? But while you have touched on that issue, let me state;

I understand you fervently believe there was a conspiracy to remove the steel, but you really need to separate fact from myth.

The fact that government agencies you think are material to your case were in NYC before 9/11 is meaningless. Government agencies are in NYC on a regular basis.

Folks like you keep repeating there was no investigation of the steel. That is patently false. What you really mean is the investigation was not to your liking. That I can understand, and agree with you.

[pox americana]

7. I think it's also a rebuttal to the official collapse theory

proposed by FEMA and the NIST, namely, weakening of the steel trusses as a consequence of the asbestos fireproofing being blown off.

But since the trusses weren't structural to begin with, and the columns wouldn't have been in the least affected by the secondary fires, it's a bullshit theory anwyay.