What path did the second plane take to hit the south tower?

[spooked911]

This is the 9/11CR path:


And LARED says he knows people that saw the plane fly over Bayonne, which is consistent with the 9/11CR path:
http://maps.infospace.com/_1_WMUTKO03WYERYH__info.elink/kevmap?OP=MoveMap&OTMPL=%2Fkevmap2%2Fmapresults.htm&qc=Bayonne&qs=nj&lat=40.6686&lat_p=40.6603&long=-74.1147&long_p=-74.0441&width=360&width_o=360&height=270&height_o=270&detail=3&detail_o=2&scale=4&scale_o=4&matchpass=CITY&ver=10947

But if you look at this video:
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit11/911.wtc.2.hit.north.above.wmv
The plane seems to be coming directly from the southwest (if not from the west), which would not fit the plane going over Bayonne. If nothing else, you get an appreciation for the maneuvering the plane had to do-- it simultaneously descended and turned to hit the south face of the south tower. A maneuver not unlike what was supposedly the official flight 77 path before it hit the Pentagon. This video has the longest shot of the second plane's approach that I could find.
Does anyone know of a longer video of the second plane approach?

In any case, this video seems to show more of a southerly approach, without much descent:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/2ndplanecrash.mpg

[sabbat hunter]

1. if you look

at the picture you posted, the flight path would be from southwest to northeast. dont forget manhattan doenst lie on a true north-south line

[LARED]

2. Thanks for posting this

In the second video the land mass the jet is flying over is Bayonne. I know. I worked there for over 5 years and could see the WTC from where I worked.

[LARED]

3. Here's a picture I took in 1996 of the WTC from

the roof of my place of employment in Bayonne

[philb]

4. firefighters see 2nd plane hit- came up the East River?

FIREFIGHTER JAMES MURPHY FDNY Engine Company 212
After that I ran up to the roof on the third floor with me and Eric Bernsten. We were watching it. We could see it from here. We have an unobstructed view. The other guys came up too. All six of us were on the roof.
Then we saw the second one come up. It looked like it was coming up the East River from here. I guess it was coming from the south. I thought it banked over the East River, which is what it looked like. I thought it made a left over the East River and went right into it going
from east to west. But as it turns out, it came from the south. Then we saw it just go right into the building and explode.
I remember talking to Eric. I remember Eric saying something, "Oh, my God, there's another plane." I was saying to him, "That plane is closer to us. It's really not a big plane going towards the building." Two seconds later it rammed into the building.

About a minute after that we got the call to go. I guess it was a minute or so. We shot down Tenth, down Park Avenue. We got to the
Manhattan Bridge

[philb]

5. More firemen who saw the plane; but werent' asked to give careful descript

ion of the path in general

CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT DANIEL NIGRO FDNY

At some point after our arrival and after we had moved to the west side of West Street, I heard a loud roar of a jet, looked up and saw the second plane impact the south tower. At that point it was clear to me it was a terrorist attack. We stepped over small airplane aviation parts, on Vesey, continued west, continued looking at the building.

BATTALION CHIEF BRIAN OFLAHERTY

JUST THEN OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE COULD SEE THIS PLANE JUST REMEMBER THE DARK IT WAS IN THE SHADOW IT LOOKED LOW THOUGHT WHAT THE HECK IS THE GUY DOING WATCHED IT WATCHED HIM TURN AND CRASH RIGHT INTO THE SOUTH TOWER.
I SAID THOUGHT THAT THAT SECOND PLANE THAT WENT INTO THE SOUTH TOWER WAS MILITARY PLANE LIKE TRANSPORT OR SMALL CARGO MILITARY.
THE REASON THOUGHT THAT FOUND OUT LATER THE SUN NEVER SHINED OFF IT IT WAS DARK COLOR PLANE IT ENDED UP FOUND OUT LATER IT WAS WHY IT WAS UNITED AIRLINES. They PAINT THEIR PLANES DULL GRAY AND BLUE DIDNT SEE ANY SHINE OFF THE PLANE WHEN IT WENT FROM DARK TO SUN.

EMS CAPTAIN MARK STONE

I was looking up to see if I could do a little more initial size up. That is when I saw the second plane hit the building . I just watched it coming i n .


CHIEF ALBERT TURI FDNY
WTC2 plane
I turned around to assess the situation, and the fireball had pretty much dissipated, and what I actually thought at that time, and mistakenly so, was it's not as bad as it looks; most of the fuel was expended on the exterior of the building. So we ran back to the car and laying right in back of my car was a large object which I thought was probably part of one of the aircraft turbines.

EMT JARJEAN FELTON

WHILE WEWERE RIGHT UNDER HERE UNDER THE WESTSIDE HIGHWAY AND PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE I SEEN THE SECOND PLANE COMING I’M THINKING ISNT THAT PLANE TOO LOW I’M LIKETHEN NOTICED SEEN IT TURN IT TURNED AND WENT RIGHT IN THE BUILDING BUT WERE BEHIND LIKE THIS IS THE BUILDING IT WENT IN AND YOU SEE THE EXPLOSION IN THE front

PARAMEDIC JOEL PIERCE
WE PARKED THE VEHICLE ON KENT GOT OUT. I STOOD THERE STARING AND THEN WATCHED EVENTUALLY THE SECOND PLANE SAW IT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS CIRCLING COMING SOUTH THEN CAME BACK NORTH STRIKING THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWER NO 2.

[philb]

6. These firemen's locations were known; can be pinpointed;

the first and last are the most complete and don't seem consistent with the official path. But their interviewer didn't try to get clear path descriptions unfortunately- that seems strange to me. Seems he should have.
There were lots of witnesses, but no one asked them for a detailed description of what they saw- stressing specifics that could be important in figuring out what exactly happened and how.

[spooked911]

7. Here's the path the plane really took!

It shows the U-turn the plane made.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit/japan911

:)

[LARED]

8. Is it joke?

Or do you really believe?

[spooked911]

9. Man, I wish I knew japanese

the documentary below that cartoon looks really interesting (it takes a while to download)

[philb]

10. why do you call it a cartoon? where did it come from?

Is it a cartoon or a documentary??

Looks more like a documentary than a cartoon to me. And I have a lot of experience with Japanese animation / anime

[sabbat hunter]

12. it is a cartoon

it clearly is marked as such "this animation is from a japanese documentary, not actual footage"

[philb]

13. Documentary animation is very different from a cartoon

A documentary is based on fact;

A cartoon is not;

[philb]

11. This path is like EMT Felton at WTC decribed it

EMT JARJEAN FELTON

WHILE WE WERE RIGHT UNDER HERE, UNDER THE WESTSIDE HIGHWAY AND PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE(west of WTC3) I SEEN THE SECOND PLANE COMING. I’M THINKING ISNT THAT PLANE TOO LOW. I’M LIKE THEN NOTICED SEEN IT TURN. IT TURNED AND WENT RIGHT IN THE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE BEHIND LIKE THIS IS THE BUILDING IT WENT IN AND YOU SEE THE EXPLOSION IN THE front

[LARED]

15. Jarjean Felton does not describe an aircraft

turning 180 degrees on what appears to be a 200 foot radius. (as shown in the video) I'm guessing here, but I would estimate that traveling at 400 or 500 mph an aircraft of that size requires a few miles to make a 180 turn.

He describes exactly what every video shows; the plane turning just before it hits the building.

[philb]

14. so the animation shows the plane coming from the north and turning to

hit the south side of the building??

Like the EMT technician at the site who described a similar path.