How many people know

[Generarth]

that this was an inside job. I assume Clinton knows because this operation has been planned before Bush but what about Democrats. Do you think Kerry knows? How many know.

[Henny Penny]

1. Anyone with eyes to see my friend n/t

[MercutioATC]

2. "Know" is a word many would object to. "Think" is a better word.

Nobody "knows" that 9/11 was an "inside job"...it's just what they've decided to believe.

[Generarth]

3. "Know" was deliberate

I was talking about those like Clinton who would have been aware of such an operation being planned and may have even stopped it from going ahead earlier. I'm not talking about you and me, I'm talking about those that know and should be whistle blowing but are too scared of the consequences which are huge in the geo-political sphere.

[MercutioATC]

4. You're making the assumption that it WAS an inside job.

That's up for debate, the last I checked.

There are quite a few of us that chalk it up to incompetence, not a deliberate plan.

[Generarth]

8. I'm not making any assumptions

I know it was an inside job. Somebody warned of this operation back in 99. It was on the Guardian board (on a thread about the list of British spies) and it was probably on the NYT board as well. I'm not making any assumptions and no I can't prove this but I know what I saw.

[MercutioATC]

9. Just because somebody warned of a possibility does not make this an

inside job. There are plenty of people who make all sorts of predictions (crackpot and otherwise). Occasionally the scenarios they envision appear to happen, though perhaps for completely different reasons than they claim (they're attributing motivations and conspiracies that don't exist).

I guess it would help to know what you mean by "inside job". I believe that the administration (possibly the Clinton administration, too) had CIA reports of terrorists planning to use commercial aircraft as weapons. I believe that these reports weren't followed up on due to incompetence. That's as far as my "inside job" beliefs go, though.

Are you stating that our government actually planned this entire scenario and had an active hand in perpetuating it?

[Generarth]

10. Yes I am

what I saw was very specific. The link to the list of spies got pulled by the board moderator (Roz) at the insistence of MI6, they wanted her to pull the whole thread but she didn't.

[MercutioATC]

11. A couple of questions, then...

1) What makes you believe that the material posted was 100% reliable?

2) What in that post constituted proof that our government actively planned the events of 9/11?

My thinking is this: I'm an air traffic controller. I could post a theory that the government actively caused 9/11, citing my experience in ATC. To support my post, I could divulge all sorts of things that are security sensitive...none of which constitute anything more that circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy. I'd be dead wrong but the government would probably demand that the post be deleted...not because I had stumbled onto some hidden truth, but because of the sensitive information I posted.

I didn't see the post you speak of, but I'm a long way from being convinced.

[Generarth]

12. Well

to be honest I don't expect to be able to convince you. If I was able to show you the original post you may still be unconvinced but I suspect you'd be much more uneasy about your suspicions. Unfortunately I can't do that. But I spent a lot of time on that board and other boards. I know what I saw was 100% reliable.

To answer your second question (and it was six years ago so I can't remember the complete post) the post specifically referred to two plans a) blow up multiple airplanes at the same time over the pacific and blame it on terrorists. c) fly a plane into prominent buildings in the United States and I think Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York were mentioned.

The thread as I said linked to a french site which hosted the list of MI6 spies. This part of the thread was pulled at the insistence of 'authorities', information that was provided by the board moderator Roz. The actual thread with the now explosive 'whistle blowing' was left up. Don't forget this was pre 9/11 so it's pretty difficult to believe at this stage that the info is accurate. I came to the conclusion well before 9/11 that it may have been planned but I assumed that it's release on the guardian board had put paid to those plans. Obviously I was wrong. I have a post I made from 2000 that references this operation.

I know that Richard Dearlove (later became head of MI6) was posting on that board because I was able to reference the spy list that I downloaded to information he gave when he signed in which should have been private but due to a hole in the software at the time wasn't private. Of course someone else could have had the same name but I think we can safely assume it was him (a run of the mill spy at the time). And I strongly suspect he wasn't the only 'spy' posting on that board at that time.

[MercutioATC]

13. Gotcha...you have an interesting perspective, but we've seen this before.

I wouldn't be surprised that a scenario like this was discussed. That doesn't constitute proof that the U.S. government did it (to me).

Hell, there are people employed by the government who do nothing but dream up stuff like this. Using commercial planes as flying bombs is a pretty simple idea. However, the mere fact that a plan was devised does not mean it was ever carried out...

You DO bring a new perspective to the discussion, though.

[pox americana]

5. It's gotta be an open secret in DC by now.

But when Kerry figured it out is a good question. Before most of us, but probably after his Iraq vote.

[petgoat]

6. when Kerry figured it out is a good question

I'll suppose it was after he stopped beating Terry? ;)

Seriously--what's the evidence that Kerry figured it out? Aside from
the obvious inference that anyone who'd been involved as he was in
investigating the BCCI scandal and the CIA drug scandal should be able
to put two and two together....

[pox americana]

7. I'm guessing she explained it to him

if he didn't already know. :)