MIHOP and lonely

[Rob Conn]

I was hoping to encourage others who recognize government complicity in the execution of 9/11, and others less convinced, to share their feelings about believing something that instantly identifies each of us as psychologically unsound. When I tell people what I believe, they tell me that I'm crazy. Conclusions drawn from these facts that express any element differing from the 9/11 Commission Report are immediately dismissed by most as "conspiracy theory", a term to which I give no intellectual credence. There is a long history of conspiracy in secret government that has undermined the popular interest. They have done things for which few would truly vote. And so they have undermined the principles of our democratic union. I am the greatest of patriots, brought up in the traditions of the enlightenment, and these people want to perpetuate feudalism. YES, SOME OF THEM WANT SLAVES AGAIN. WORK FOR ME,SEX FOR ME, DIE FOR ME SLAVES!!! For those who would speak the truth, it is freedom or death. Whewww.......sorry. Got a little bit carried away in how upset I am about feeling alienated from my culture. Does anyone else feel this way? And how do we begin to address the institutional skepticism that all 9/11 theory encounters. People are 'mainstream'. They really don't want to admit it. Do these people make you lonely?

P.S. To all of the infiltrators...WHAT!?! You got nothin' to say this time? Cause it doesn't go that deep, does it?...Weak!!! No evidence to hagle about this time. What do you feel? Not a part of your training, huh?

P.P.S. Administrator: If I can't post this, I won't be posting again. It was written with a specific degree of candor, and meant to inspire an emotional response and candid personal reflection. This is an emotional issue, and the people in here seem to be able to handle a challenge.

P.P.P.S. What's up? Anybody feeling the truth?

[philb]

1. Complicity of officials in 9/11 was documented by 9/11 Comm testimony

So pointing it out isn't conspiracy theory. Its debunking the administration conspiracy theory.
Solid evidence of complicity by Pentagon and military officials in 9/11
http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html
http://www.flcv.com/anomolie.html

[philb]

14. Mineta testified that Cheney(& Myers &Rumsfeld) were aware & let it happen

Norman Mineta, Sec. of Transportation, testimony before 9/11 Comm.: on a meeting he was at with V.P. Cheney at the White House PEOC that he arrived at about 9:20:

“During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out”; “The plane is 30 miles out” ; And when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out” the young man said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”

They were all on the same conference call setup by NMCC, starting about 8:25. Some only came on about 8:50. They had a lot of warning. Some apparently had their aide sit in for them some of the time while they made calls, etc.

Isn't this and the other collaborating evidence on the link above pretty conclusive regarding complicity. I don't understand how these things were testified to and nothing happened. Were the committee members not listening to the testimony??? Where were the media? and public??

[demodewd]

2. Hang in there!

Hang in there ...people are coming around slowly. I only approach those I know may be receptive to my beliefs. I've got my neighbor's mind in high gear. And our in home health care attendent is interested..she voted for Kerry.

[undeterred]

3. You are not alone

But coming to realize that the truth is so awful is a long slow process for some people.

I was so shocked by what happened on 9/11 it never occurred to me to question it. Actually the thing that seemed the most bizarre to me was Bush's reaction and him flying all over the country.

Had I been closer to the sites of the attack, or if I were an expert in something that would have made me question specific parts of the cover story, I might have come around sooner. But I did not really look into it until last fall, and since then I've been reading everything I can find on the subject. Its not as though most people are still talking about it.

More and more little pieces keep fitting into place. The admission of Tom Ridge that he couldn't understand why he was putting out some terror alerts was certainly a big red flag. I am somewhere between LIHOP and MIHOP. I need to do more investigating. There are some very knowledgeable people who post in this forum. On the range from gullible to skeptical, people are all over the place.

You are not alone. Keep posting.
:patriot:

[TheUnspeakable]

4. It's been a long, lonely road....

At first, I was afraid to say it-even to people who were very close to me and hated this administration- because I knew they'd think I'd "lost it'. Now I talk about it freely and I don't care what they think because the evidence has become overwhelming. It's "crazier" to think they were not involved than to think that they were. What I've found to be very helpful to me is to approach it like- "I'm not trying to convince you or anything, this is just what I believe personally". Somehow with this approach it doesn't lead to fights
(Like with some freeper relatives) like it used to.

[spooked911]

5. More and more people feel like you and it is easier to talk about every

day. At first I was seriously scared when I started doing 9/11 research.

I remember I went to Mike Ruppert's site (COPVCIA) back in 2002 and I was seriously worried the feds were watching and would go after me.

They may well be watching me now, but there are so many of us, they can't get us all. There's definitely strength in numbers.

[demodewd]

6. Are you kidding?

Are you kidding? They plan on incinerating you and as well as the rest of us!

[LARED]

7. They plan on incinerating you and as well as the rest of us!

Care to elaborate on that comment????

[demodewd]

9. sure

I was joking..sort of..

[dbeach]

8. 9/11 = greatest bonanza in wall st. history

its the gift that keeps on giving..
more $ for war
less $ for social programs and the middle class in general
more $ for bush supporters
more hassles for non-busheviks
more of a police type controlled society
more hassles at airports

"AND its only the beginning.."

Ask any non-bushevik VN Veteran ..the US govt lied about VN ..Agent Orange,PTSD, Vets benefits..then COLLABORATED with the main media to blame the war on the VN Veteran then demonized them..and stereotyped them as baby killers..druggies..losers..and that stereotype is still very much alive..

To say the Govt is lying is merely to state the truth and nothing but the truth..
BUT the busheviks are taking lies to a new life form and art form..

and the globalist rats or corporats whom control the busheviks {even though bush is part of them } will sacrifice the USA and Israel on their altar of hatred...think of all those US jobs transferred to China..selling China missle tech...,the outsourcing..bush saying its a good thing..
ALL "for a few dollars more"

Labeling others as crazy ..looney... deranged..ect.. is the response of the conditioned...its what the busheviks need and thrive upon..dissent within the ranks..

"the controls are in the hands of fools..."..Pink Floyd

[meppie-meppie not]

10. What you've said here Rob, sure parallels my own thoughts. I find

the nay sayers can simultaneously drive me wankers and elevate my blood pressure by their sheer daftness. Hang in there mate as you are not alone because not all of us drink from the Koolaide trough!!:toast:

[undeterred]

11. Actually, one thing I have found is that different people are interested

in different parts of the evidence.

One person I talked to believes this administration is so incompetent as to be incapable of coordinating thie event- I suppose if you keep your eye on Bush alone that would be true. But he was very interested when I mentioned the "put options" on United and AA stock and anything which indicated that some people knew something big was going down on Sept 11.

Griffin was the nail in the coffin for me because, he brings together the whole picture of politics and motivation with the physical evidence.

By the way, this thread survived in GD because of its subject:
"it's a shame that so many people think bushco orchestrated 9-11"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3704625
There are believers among us!

[seatnineb]

12. Or maybe Bush

.....wants us to think that he is stupid.

It could be an act.

[ROH]

13. Also put options in Morgan Stanley Dean Witter...

Three important points to emphasize regarding the put options:

1. Intelligence agencies monitor the trading markets, and the days just before September 11 saw an extremely high volume of put options purchases in specific stocks.

2. Regarding the unusual put option activity in United and American Airlines, the two airlines used in the attacks:
For these two airlines, and only these two, the level of these trades was up by 1,200 percent in the three days prior to the World Trade Center attacks.

3. As well as those two airlines, the put option activity also included a much higher than usual volume of purchases of puts in Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, which occupied 22 stories of the World Trade Center.

So this put activity was specific to both the manner (i.e. the two airlines used) and the major place of attack (i.e. the World Trade Center).

[Frederik]

15. I agree, but

the main problem with those put options is that whoever made them didn't make all that much money on it! $20 million or thereabouts, that's really not worth to risk exposing yourself for. If it's seen in conjunction with all the other suspicious transactions though (gold, oil, 5-year Treasury bonds, insurers stock, etc), it starts to make sense (several hundred million dollars or more in profits).

[mikita]

16. MIHOP and lonely too...

Spent this weekend with my dearest friends discussing 9/11 and stolen elections, and I can't even seem to make a dent with them (the rest of my friends have long since written me off as a lunatic fringe radical). I think they watch too much TV and they don't realize how the propanganda gets to them....it's insidious.

This forum always give me hope, read it often although I post very little. Surely needed to be here today, after the blood-pressure risings I had this weekend....

:hugs:

[demodewd]

18. next time

Next time offer them a joint.

[mikita]

19. LOL...

You may be absolutely correct.....

:headbang:

[Broken Acorn]

21. Don't give up

Everything will come out in time.

[ocean girl]

17. Thanks, Rob for your thoughts

I have no one to discuss this with except on the web. My wonderful husband thinks I'm losing my mind, my best friend is so naive that she thinks we liberated the women in Afghanistan and my liberal Democrat family ridicules me.

I'm just grateful for this forum and the fabulous researchers who have enlightened me and given me hope that the truth will come out.

Thanks, all you people!

[Rob Conn]

20. 9/11 Educator

Thank you, and everyone else who responded. Like you, I feel relieved that there is a place where I know that people are able to question the 'official story'. The people who responded give me hope, and a sense of sanity. And yes, the truth will come out. Hopefully before they do it again. I've been researching 9/11 for a couple of years now, and something has recently changed. With the publishing of "Crossing The Rubicon", by Michael Ruppert, most of the case against those in power has been more than adequately spelled out. I find my focus changing. With support from sympathetic, and knowledgable friends, and people in the truth community, I must now make the transition from researcher to educator. This is definately the hard part. As you suggest, others are not prepared to question what happened that day and why. With a critical lack of historial information, many have no context in which to place such an atrocity. Many others are simply too dependent to step away from so many of their assumptions. The challenge is great, but I can no longer focus my energy on considering evidence in a case that has been solved. Not that I have all the answers I hope for. But I finally have no reasonable doubts about the general picture of what happened. I will continue to join these discussions, while working on the outside to show people what they must see. - R.C.