Anybody know about this with George Orwell?

[FreedomAngel82]

If the admins feel the need to move this post then that's fine with me. I wasn't sure if this belonged here or in the Lounge or what. But anyways, I am almost done with the documentary "9/11: The Greatest Lie Ever Told" and they are talking about George Orwell. According to the film Orwell was his pen name and he is describing what it would be like in the New World Order. I have read a few bits of the book on a website before and have the movie downloaded and will watch it next. The narriator (in the 9/11 film) says he hopes that the European government doesn't give in to a world government and it's Hitler's dream come true that could happen earliest in 2010. According to Jim Marras who is the author of "Rule by Secrecy" Orwell was a member of a Socalist group UFN and obvoiously had knowledge of their plans which we see now coming to notion. I haven't studied anything on Orwell and was wondering if anybody knew about this. Thanks in advanced.

[Pachamama]

1. Haven't studied Orwell, but maybe I should! n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

2. That's my project too

[meppie-meppie not]

10. here's a link to the online book...

on the left hand side of the page are all the chapter listings...

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Thanks!

I bookedmarked it to read later. :)

[pacifictiger]

3. Found this info on George Orwell.

Seems he described himself as a "democratic socialist" and was against totalitarianism in any form - Stalin left or Fascist Right. Sounds like a pretty good ideal to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

If, as the writer of Nineteen Eightyfour, his ideas are being discounted, I wonder who stands to benefit? This everincreasing Cabal of American Totalitarianists perhaps?

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. It sounds like a pretty mixed up view of Orwell

If you mean you have downloaded the movie of '1984' (and I presume you mean the one made in the 80s, not the one from the 50s), then it's fine, but, being a movie, it had to leave out a lot of the detail from Orwell's book. I think the entire book is also available online (it's out of copyright by now in the UK), and I'd recommend you read that (any library should have a copy too). There is more to Orwell than just that book, of course, but I think it's definitely his best work. Wikipedia is proably a good starting point for him (remembering that it's written by people who may have a partisan point of view, of course).

I don't think Orwell had knowledge of any plans - he was an intelligent left-leaning journalist, who understood about propaganda (he worked for the BBC during WW2, and knew they used propaganda as well as the Nazis). He knew how horribly wrong the Soviet Union had gone - he had fought on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War, and had seen the Soviets were interested in power rather than the rights of the people. 'Animal Farm' is a good allegory of the Soviet Revolution, and how it became as corrupt as the Tsarist system it replaced.

Where the 'European government' comes into this, I don't know. And I'm not sure what you're saying about Hitler either.

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Interesting about Orwell

I'll have to look for the book and read it. I'm not sure which version it is since I haven't viewed it yet.

[Project_Willow]

6. There's more to Orwell

than 1984, though that seems to be the playbook for our current situation.

Read "Homage to Catalonia" too, it's his account of the Spanish Civil War.

(I love Orwell BTW).

Your reference to Hitler, if it comes from Marrs, is probably about the transfer of the Nazi project into the US after WWII. While we can only speculate on the privately held philosophies of the elite, the record of importation and employment of Nazi war criminals is well established. There is also evidence of ties between the BFEE and the Nazis (ie Dulles, seizure of businesses under trading with the enemy act.)

[dbeach]

8. operation Paperclip

alowed the 'Zs" into the OSS which became the CIA..Truman was initailly against it..But it happened..US got VonBraun in the deal and a deck of snakes.

It sounds good that former Nazis would now be our allies aginst the USSR BUT I think and this is my spin that they corruppted much of US Intell and we now are in huge danger..BUT that is my spin!

"the transfer of the Nazi project into the US after WWII"

[dbeach]

7. Orwell defected from the fabian society

fabians want a type of benign socialist govt....

google orwell and fabian..


"George Orwell warned us that there would be "telscreens"

George Orwell is a pen name for Eric Blair. Eric Blair joined the Fabian Socialist Society as a young man, and left it before he wrote "1984". The Fabian Socialist Society was founded in 1884. At their founding the made a prediction that they could accomplish their objectives in 100 years.

When Eric Blair defected from the Fabian Socialist Society, he wrote "1984" as an EXPOSE of what the Fabian Socialist Society was trying to do. It is an INSIDER's view of reality, not a fantasy. Well, it did not come in 1984, but it is on the way. Everything in "1984" is coming to pass.


Remember the slogan "War is peace"?
It sounded ridiculous to me when I first read it.
Now we have a United Nations "peace" army that is waging peace on almost a dozen nations.

Remember the slogan "Freedom is Slavery"?
Now we have "liberal" programs and national "Liberation" movements yelling "power to the people" ... and building bigger and more powerful government.

Remember the slogan: "Ignorance is Strength"?
Now it is called "plausible deniability".

How many times have we heard "I have no recollection of that"?
What about "thought criminals"? Now we call them "cult members", "supremacists", "anti--government", and numerous other terms that refer to unauthorized thoughts. "

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/talkingcamera.htm

[Dancing_Dave]

9. You need to READ Orwell!

Well, "1984" and "Homage to Catalonia" are a good place to start. And anything else you are still able to order from local bookseller...or failing that, seize any way you can! Don't be an unjust idiot by trying to comment before you really read what the guy had to say! "Politics and the English Language" is a very currently relevant essay he wrote available in a number of anthologies.



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