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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:05 AM
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9/11 for dummies
I know there are people in this forum
who have made it their mission to find
out what really happened on 9/11 and
I have so much respect for your efforts
to uncover the truth.

When I am trying to explain this subject
to friends and family, I get a little
tied up in some of the details of 9/11.
Most people have swallowed the official story
without really looking at the facts, photos,
witness accounts, timeline etc. and so
are reticient to see a new truth.

Is there anyone who can do a broad brush
elevator 9/11 theory speech?

TIA
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:42 AM
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1. Probably
not just what you´re looking for. But I felt like posting this.
Heading : "The Guardian" goes CT :

"The FBI, as we know, blocked all manner of investigations into the plot in the run up to its execution, whether these involved highly specific warnings from its own agents or from government sources in Afghanistan, Argentina, Britain, the Cayman Islands, Egypt, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco and Russia.
(...)
And these worries are maybe less important than the ones about clear links between the Pakistani ISI, the CIA and the men named as the 9/11 hijackers. Or the mysterious inability of anyone to capture Osama bin Laden, who fled from Tora Bora, possibly being evacuated by helicopter, and then escaped to Pakistan unhindered.
(...)
...every implicated party goes free, we and our controlling US interests continue fearlessly to terrorise countries unconnected with the attacks, to place permanent military bases near oil reserves and pipeline routes, to harass and murder Muslims anywhere we can, and to foment terrorist resistance at every opportunity."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1480940,00.html
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graphixtech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:50 AM
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2. One resource
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 02:35 PM
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3. Webster Tarpley and David Griffin are good at explaining it to newbies
Edited on Thu May-12-05 02:46 PM by Dancing_Dave
And you can read transcripts of some of their speaches, or see them on video.

Tarpley's logical explanations are especially clear and tight, as you can see in this speach excerpt:

"We are dealing with state-sponsored, false flag terrorism. I don't mean state-sponsored in the sense that it has to be sponsored by the entire command structure of the country in question, but that it is carried forward by a private network ensconced and infesting decisive nodal points in the state apparatus of that country. I'll try to show you what I mean.

Patsies and Fall Guys

Here we have to distinguish a world of patsies, the people that you hear about, I'll try to show you some of this in detail, the people we can call the dupes, the useful idiots, the fanatics, the police agents, the double agents, the provocateurs, in short the Oswalds, the fall guys. Lee Harvey Oswald - 'I'm just a patsy' - direct quote. That's one group.

The Moles. This is the group of government officials, the network of government officials, whose loyalty is not to the command structure, the Constitution or their country in some diffuse sense, but rather their loyalty goes to a private intelligence network, a private clique, faction, a group of putschists if you will, people trying to have a coup d'état.

Professional Killers and Asteroids You also have to distinguish the professional killers. These are the cold blooded technicians of murder. This is the sort of area where you see retired veterans of the Special Forces, the Delta Force, the CIA Operations Directorate, and so on down the line - the old boys. At the end of the '80s and the beginning of the '90s, the term for this group in Washington was the asteroids.

All of them operate in a brainwashed world of the controlled corporate media which establishes the terms of the debate. Now the patsies are up front, the moles are known but the fact that they are moles is not well-known. The professional killers don't ever want to become known, they'd rather be completely anonymous."

"If you want to show this to people at a comprehensible level there's an interesting movie called The Package made in the late 1980s that does show the levels of moles, dupes, and professional killers. Its premise is that Gene Hackman is a good US Army sergeant who stumbles upon a plot by a clique of US and Soviet officers - there's a private network - who are determined to assassinate Gorbachev in order to stop disarmament and détente which they don't want. We have Tommy Lee Jones as a professional killer, the hit man. The US generals and Soviet generals who work together are the moles. Then we have a dim-witted army person from the stockade that they bring from the Army brig and use him as a patsy. So I recommend this interesting movie The Package with Gene Hackman and Tommy Lee Jones. It is the only thing from Hollywood that I have ever seen that has any connection to reality in it. (Audience laughter and applause.)

Now, the Kean-Hamilton Commission. The nicest thing that we can say is that they beg the question. They have assumed as given that which they have to prove, their official story. They haven't proven the official story, they haven't come anywhere near it. It is a scandal, it is an abject failure and as I will try to show, the tragedy of the Kean-Hamilton Commission is that it leaves the door wide open to future terrorism because the real terrorist networks have remained totally untouched, totally uninvestigated, totally unknown and the 19 patsies have been essentially destroyed."

http://www.waronfreedom.org/wgt-sf-speech.html
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:21 PM
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6. Thanks all for the great posts and info.
I'll be thinking about an elevator speech
about 9/11 using your info.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:21 PM
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4. Here's my 9/11 talking points
Edited on Thu May-12-05 04:25 PM by spooked911
9/11 Talking Points-- to Share with Friends, Family, Media and Government Representatives

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2005/04/911-talking-points-to-share-with.html

Best Example of State-Sponsored False-Flag against one's own citizens (Synthetic Terrorism)
-- Italy's "Strategy of Tension" in the 1970's and 1980's; Operation Gladio

Best Example of US Considering Synthetic Terrorism
-- Operation Northwoods Plan (early 1960's)

Best Examples that 9/11 was not Unexpected
-- NORAD running terrorist hijacking drills and hijacked planes into building drills prior to 9/11

Best Example of General Forewarnings of 9/11
-- FBI whistle-blowers warning of Arabs in flight schools

Best Example of Specific Forewarnings of 9/11
-- Suspicious trading of American Airlines and United Airlines stocks right before 9/11 (trades not by the terrorists since story has been covered up)

Best Example of contacts of US intelligence agencies with Al Qaeda
-- Extensive interactions between CIA and Pakistani ISI and Pakistani ISI and Al Qaeda
-- FBI informant lived with two 9/11 hijackers in San Diego right before attacks

Best Examples that there is more to the 9/11 story than the official version
-- Live-fly hijacking exercises run by NORAD on 9/11
-- Not one of the eight pilots on the four hijacked planes signaled they were hijacked to air traffic control: how did knife and boxcutter-armed hijackers manage surprise take-overs on every plane?
-- the hijackers should not have been able to to fly jumbo jets effectively from their training
-- Perfectly controlled collapse of WTC building 7, a 47 story building housing several government agencies including the CIA and Secret Service: building had only a limited fire and was not hit by an airplane
-- Witnesses described bombs in WTC towers: officials and media have covered this up
-- WTC towers had massive central core section that was built to withstand impact with large jet airliner: WTC structure has been misleadingly portrayed by the media to promote pancake collapse story
-- Jet fuel fires should not have been hot to enough to weaken steel beams in WTC tower core
-- Strange and very difficult flight path taken by flight 77 pilot to hit Pentagon
-- Damage to Pentagon limited to recently renovated and sparsely occupied part of building


Best Examples of Administration Cover-Up
-- Stonewalling of appointment of the 9/11 commission
-- Appointment of Henry Kissinger initially to chair the commission
-- Limited time and budget allotted to 9/11 commission
-- Bush and Cheney testify to commission together
-- Sibel Edmonds, the former FBI-translator, is being gagged from telling what she knows about 9/11

Reasons and Motives for 9/11
-- geopolitical strategy, maintenance of US global dominance by creating permanent US bases in middle east and asia
-- incitement to war to capture middle-east and asian oil reserves
-- disgruntled military officers wanted a war after many years of relative inaction
-- Neocon motives: clash of civilzations with the west and Islam; Islam perceived as threat to long-term US global dominance and to Israel
-- Massive insurance fraud by Larry Silverstein, owner of WTC, and others
-- Establishes political dominance by Republicans/Conservatives/provides all purpose cover for insane government policies
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:11 PM
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5. Great Summary
This should be part of the Dems talking points.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:22 PM
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10. I can only dream of that! That would be awesome.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:24 PM
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7. Good job, Spooked!
That really is a good summery!
:yourock:
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:24 PM
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9. On the subject of forewarnings...
From your list:
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Best Example of Specific Forewarnings of 9/11
-- Suspicious trading of American Airlines and United Airlines stocks right before 9/11 (trades not by the terrorists since story has been covered up)
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Also: Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest WTC tenants.

The unusually heavy trading in American Airlines and United Airlines put options correlated with the specific airlines, while the unusual trading activity in Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley put options correlated with the WTC buildings.



Here is the relevant entry from the Complete 911 Timeline (http://www.complete911timeline.org):
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September 6 - 10, 2001
The Chicago Board Options Exchange sees suspicious trading on Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest WTC tenants. An average of 3,053 put options in Merrill Lynch are bought between September 6-10, compared to an average of 252 in the previous week. Merrill Lynch, another WTC tenant, see 12,215 put options bought between September 7-10, when the previous days had seen averages of 252 contracts a day. <Independent, 10/14/01> Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg Business News: "This would be one of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence." <ABC News, 9/20/01> <FTW>
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Here are comments from Griffin:
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"The Put Options: The government also would have had foreknowledge of the attacks because of an extraordinarily high volume of "put options" purchased in the three days before 9/11. To buy put options for a particular company is to bet that its stock price will go down. These purchases were for two, and only two, airlines --United and American -- the two airlines used in the attacks, and for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, which occupied 22 stories of the World Trade Center. The price of these shares did, of course, plummet after 9/11. As the San Francisco Chronicle said, these unusual purchases, which resulted in profits of tens of millions of dollars, raise "suspicions that the investors ... had advance knowledge of the strikes." *

For our purposes, the most important implication of this story follows from the fact that US intelligence agencies monitor the market, looking for signs of imminent untoward events. These extraordinary purchases, therefore, would have suggested to intelligence agencies that in the next few days, United and American airliners were going to be used in attacks on the World Trade Center. This is fairly specific information.

* The San Francisco Chronicle, Sept. 29, 2001. The 9/11 Commission tried to scotch these suspicions. Its most important claim is that it found that 95 percent of the puts for United Airlines were purchased by " single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda" (The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, Authorized Edition , 499 note 130). But this argument is viciously circular. What is at issue is whether people other than al Qaeda knew about the attacks in advance, perhaps because they had helped plan them. But the Commission simply assumes that al Qaeda and only al Qaeda planned and knew about the attacks. Accordingly, runs the Commission’s logic, if the investors who purchased the put options in question had no ties with al Qaeda, they could not possibly have had insider knowledge. They were simply lucky."
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Also: David Schippers. Here are Griffin's relevant comments:
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"David Schippers and the FBI Agents: The first example involves attorney David Schippers, who had been the chief prosecutor for the impeachment of President Clinton. Two days after 9/11, Schippers declared that he had received warnings from FBI agents about the attacks six weeks earlier -- warnings that included both the dates and the targets. These agents had come to him, Schippers said, because FBI headquarters had blocked their investigations and threatened them with prosecution if they went public with their information. They asked Schippers to use his influence to get the government to take action to prevent the attacks. Schippers was highly respected in Republican circles, especially because of his role in the impeachment of Clinton. And yet, he reported, Attorney General Ashcroft repeatedly failed to return his calls.

Schippers’ allegations about the FBI agents were corroborated in a story by William Norman Grigg called "Did We Know What Was Coming?", which was published in The New American, a very conservative magazine. According to Grigg, the three FBI agents he interviewed told him "that the information provided to Schippers was widely known within the Bureau before September 11th."

If Schippers, Grigg, and these agents are telling the truth, it would seem that when FBI Director Mueller claimed that the FBI had found no one in this country with advance knowledge of the plot, he was not telling the truth."
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:28 PM
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8. I think I know what you mean
Edited on Thu May-12-05 06:30 PM by Last Lemming
I have another life and while I can follow most of the intricate paths I'm led down by the 9/11 masters, I don't think I could lead anyone down by myself.

I usually give people a few simple tasks:
Find me a picture of the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon

Who can argue with you about facts? You are just asking for them to check something out.

Question: How many "terrorists" have been successfully prosecuted since nine-eleven?
(Used to be none, but now with Zacharias Moussaoui, it's not so simple.)

what about the anthrax case? why was it never solved?

three buildings collapsed on 9/11 but only two were hit by planes. . .

etc.

I try to just ask other people unsolved question because, while we have a lot of facts, we don't have many answers. And the biggest answer that we don't have is who. Who are the assassins? Who are the thinkers? Who the grand planners?

don't kill people with facts---just make them wonder--
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:24 PM
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11. I agree-- much better to point out inconsistencies and coincidences
Edited on Thu May-12-05 08:24 PM by spooked911
than point out a fleshed out conspiracy for getting people started.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:57 AM
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12. ask the questions, have people wonder about the answers...
I saw the Enron film last night documenting
that when Enron's stock was falling and
people were catching on to it's hide n seek
money game....9/11 happened. Not that the
two are connected, but it gave some time
to Lay and others.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:55 PM
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13. It's a looooong process
It takes people an average of six months from their first doubts to overcome denial and actually become open to the evidence.

Seed planting is very important. Visibility actions have had their impact. It was marvellous during the first months at Ground Zero seeing the spark of cognitive dissonance in the faces of those who went past signs like, "Stop the 9/11 Cover-up" and "9/11 was an inside job." Last year, a first pay-off came in the form of the Zogby poll in New York, with half disbelieving the official story.

Now that the trauma is in the past, now that everyone has seen the country invade another country on the basis of obvious lies, I find it much easier going than in the first months after 9/11, when almost everyone thought I was crazy or a traitor to even think such things. People have to first become used to the idea.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:41 PM
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14. Hearing David Ray Griffin opened my eyes
I think more people have to see and
hear that speech at the U of Wisconsin.
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