UA93-- seven crew members and four hijackers

[spooked911]

according to the official story.

This means there were five flight attendants-- more than the actual hijackers.


How on earth did the hijackers take over the plane when:

1) the hijacking started well after when it was clear to everyone that the twin towers had been attacked by hijacked planes and thus the pilots should have known to be on the alert for hijackings

2) at least one of the pilots or flight attendants must have wondered about the four middle eastern men in first class

3) Some of the flight attendants must have hindered the hijackers' approach to the cockpit and at least one of the flight attendants should have been able to warn the cockpit of intrusion.



Yet according to the official story, neither pilot was able to alert ground control of a hijacking! The only hint that the flight was hijacked was sounds of a scuffle over the radio heard by ground control and a "mayday" call. Then the loss of radio contact and the loss of the transponder signal.

How on earth did the hijackers take the pilots by surprise?

Does the official scenario make sense to anyone?

[dbeach]

1. They all in on the gig!

"How on earth did the hijackers take the pilots by surprise?

Does the official scenario make sense to anyone?"

Thre were no passeneger planes.. robot controlled planes...missles..I dunno..

Peeling the layers of this rotten onion ..makes me cry..

the govt can stage anything..put it on CNN and its reality

I never realy liked Zappa..but this makes sense to me:"We're only in it for the money"

[spooked911]

2. I know how you feel. But we do need to try to get this bullshit exposed

and to get it to as wide as an audience as possible.

[meppie-meppie not]

3. Spooked...

I just received a DVD "Confronting the Evidence: A Call to Reopen the 9/11 Investigation" and in it is the 1 hour "Painful Deceptions". The DVD was put out by the Reopen911 organization and I was really blown away by it. I found this DVD explained clearly the science of everything and just outrageous the "Official Conspiracy Theory" is. Have you seen this DVD? It is not copyrighted and it is plainly instructed on the slip cover, to copy the DVD and pass on the copies to as many as one would like.

[spooked911]

9. No I haven't seen those. I haven't watched any 9/11 videos or DVDs.

mostly I have relied on books and the internet.

But those sound very worthwhile, thanks.

[meppie-meppie not]

17. if you want I can copy it for you and send it to you snail mail. Being a

DVD I'm wondering if I could play it on my computer or copy it in some way so it can be downloaded. I'm not proficient in computer ways but I can surely learn. The DVD is about 4 hours in length and one of the people interviewed was Griffin, another was Paul Thompson, another Michael Ruppert and on it went. Before the DVD I was very much hedging into the MIHOP camp and now I no longer hedge.

[spooked911]

19. Actually, I am already convinced. Why don't you give a copy to

someone who has an open mind about 9/11 and that might be convinced by the DVD?

Thanks for the offer though!

[dbeach]

4. I agree!..

and am working my section of the universe..which includes many Veterans and ocean lovers..{hence my name}

I am not too hung up on the details and many others seem to be the same ..BUT thats been in this corner of the universe...

9/11/01 to 4/11/04 = 911 days...
11 is a repeating number in 9/11 attacks I posted this at another area.
9/11/41 began the pentagon construction...

I like the oddities..

[dbeach]

5. 9/11 coincidences by numbers..

"Murder by numbers is 1,2,3..as easy to learn as your A,B,C...s"
the Police

http://www.greatdreams.com/trade_numbers.htm
"THE COINCIDENTAL NUMBERS OF THIS ATTACK ON THE WTC

The date of the attack: 9/11: 9 + 1 + 1 = 11

Anagram for September eleven

TEN REV BE, ME SLEEP

Rev 10-1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven.
He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head;
his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars.

911 is the Number for Help in many countries - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.

Greaterthings/news/911

Note: We received this information in an e-mail dated 9-5-2001, prior
to the World Trade Center event. It seems rather prophetic. Under the
WTC are 7 floors which go into a deep pit.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the
bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is 1Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name 2Apollyon

We are living in the time of the Book of Revelation - Rev. 9:11


Mohammed's birth is celebrated on the 11th day of the 9th month

September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.

After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.

119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11.

Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11.

The number of stories is 110 (2x) 110 - 110
Remember that the zero "0" is not a number, so we have 11:11""



"September 11, 1941 construction started at a large site across the Potomac river, in Arlington, Virginia. Army engineers used 380,000 tons of sand and gravel dredged from the river to create the reinforced concrete used for the massive building.
The design was straightforward but very efficient: a 5 acre central courtyard is surrounded by five pentagonal rings. The five different wedges forming the pentagonal shape were created one by one and as soon as a wedge was finished, it would be occupied. The first occupants moved in the Pentagon in April 1942 and the building was completed in January 1943."

http://www.aviewoncities.com/washington/pentagon.htm

[John Doe II]

6. Nothing adds up

what happened aboard UA 93 nor the crash of the plane.
Look eg that the passengers didn't manage to open the cockpit door although it was designed not to withstand a lot of pressure.
See the thread about the contradictions I just kicked.

And also note that there was a special code word that the crew and the pilots defined before take off that would signal a hijack.

[ROH]

7. Code word...

You wrote:
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And also note that there was a special code word that the crew and the pilots defined before take off that would signal a hijack.
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What is the significance of this in your opinion? Could it have any connection to the war games and "live-fly" exercises?

[John Doe II]

16. I wasn't precise

The knock-sequence at the door was defined before take off. In a case of an ongoing hijacke the word used was always "trip". So my fault and certainly no connection to the War Games.

[spooked911]

8. This code word was specifically defined by the UA93 crew?

Or not?

What is the source for that info?

[John Doe II]

10. Jere Longman: Among the Heroes

"Dahl and Welsh had established the secret-knock sequence that she would use to enter the cockpit. The code was changed on every flight. United flight attendants did not carry cockpit keys, which were to be used for emergencies. One key was always located in the forward part of each aircraft, sometimes in the galley, but nota lways in the same place"
(p. 8)

"In the event of a hijacking, flight attendants were to phone the cockpit and mention the word "trip".
(p.9)

[John Doe II]

11. This leads to a simple question

How did the alleged hijackers actually manage to enter the cockpit?

[spooked911]

12. I thought it might be from that book-- I vaguely remember reading that

but I was too lazy to look it up. So, yes, indeed-- how did the hijackers get in the damn cockpit?

[spooked911]

13. Wow, that is a SMOKING GUN that the official story is WRONG

Now that I think of it a little more, this info BLOWS AWAY the official story.

This tells us:
1) that the crew locked the cockpit doors, so the hijackers could not have just walked in, they would have to smash the door open.
2) the pilots can hear knocks on the cokpit door. If they can hear knocks, they can hear someone trying to ram open the cockpit door.
3) the crew members were prepared for a hijacking!

There is simply no way the UA93 pilots could have been taken by surprise.

This means the hijacking of UA93 was faked. It was all an act, possibly as part of the live-fly hijacking drill that was taking place on 9/11.



btw, in my version of Longman, those quotes are both on page 6.

[John Doe II]

14. I agree

"Although (b] the cockpit door remained locked during flight, it provided only flimsy protection on September 11. The door was designed to withstand no more than one hundred and fifty pounds of pressure , so that it could be forced open in emergencies, allowing the pilots to escape outward or passengers to escape inward to climb out of a cockpit window. A heavy shoulder would dislodge the door."
(p. 8)

Problem would be if you push this door very hard and it opens you are in no good attacking position as you will fall down on the floor or have to regain your balance at least. No chance that you can kill the pilot before he even had the chance to turn around.

And as far as I can recall no phone call of the passengers speak of hijackers pushing violently the door open. But I'll have to countercheck this.

[John Doe II]

15. AND

How is it possible that a minimum of six passengers (all known to have been very athletic) didn't manage with the help of a foot cart to open the cockpit door that only provided flimsy protection during six minutes of fighting?

[spooked911]

18. It is all a lovely lie, isn't it?

It was a stage play put on to make us feel better about 9/11.


Let's roll!

[ROH]

20. What about the phone calls?

You wrote: "It was all an act, possibly as part of the live-fly hijacking drill that was taking place on 9/11."

But who do you think was in on the act? And what about the passengers' phone calls?

[spooked911]

21. Probably fake phone calls-- remember Mark Bingham calling his mom?

"Hi Mom-- this is Mark Bingham"

Who would ever give their last name to their mom? I don't care how stressed you are, you just don't say that.

There was also the Ed Felt phone call that was completely different from the other phone calls, where Felt implied the plane was holed or badly damaged.

Some of the phone calls, such as Felt's may have been real and other calls were fake-- or they were all fake.

I have read that it is doubtful that so many passengers could get good cell phone service from a plane going 500 mph over a very rural area.

There were other oddities as well. I don't have time to look them all up right now. John Doe II has a nice post on the flight 93 phone calls from some time back. Basically, there are a lot of inconsistencies in the calls.

Who was in on it? I don't know. That part is a real mystery. Maybe certain people were on the ground and they thought they were running a hijacking exercise, but the exercise was used to mimic a real hijacking.

[ROH]

24. The phone calls...

You wrote:
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Probably fake phone calls-- remember Mark Bingham calling his mom?

"Hi Mom-- this is Mark Bingham"

Who would ever give their last name to their mom? I don't care how stressed you are, you just don't say that.
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That does seem strange, but as far as I know none of the relatives or friends receiving the calls have ever suggested that the phone calls were not genuine. Some of the phone calls contained specific verbal expressions that were familiar to the relatives or friends. For example, Todd Beamer's wife Lisa said that Todd often used the expression "Are you guys ready? Let's roll!" when the family were leaving their home for a family outing.


You wrote:
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Who was in on it? I don't know. That part is a real mystery. Maybe certain people were on the ground and they thought they were running a hijacking exercise, but the exercise was used to mimic a real hijacking.
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Could it be that this flight was planned as a "live-fly" hijacking exercise (as part of the scheduled exercises that were taking place that day), and somehow this plan went wrong?


Two quotes to illustrate the confusion of the day:
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"As 9/11 was unfolding, FAA Administrator Jane Garvey reported 11 aircraft off course or out of communications; and by the end of the day, 21 aircraft had been identified as tracks of interest." ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_and_execution_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks

"NEADS: Is this real-world or exercise?" ... http://www.jetthrust.com/news/news.php?topicid=366
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[demodewd]

22. crew forewarned by 9:00 a.m.

9:00 a.m.: United Airlines systems operations transmitted a system wide message, warning its pilots of a potential "cockpit intrusion". United Airlines Flight 93, flying over Pennsylvania replies "Confirmed".

http://www.911timeline.net/

[John Doe II]

23. After 9:00 and at 9:24

From Paul Thompsn's Timeline:

Ed Ballinger, flight dispatcher for United Airlines, sends the same warning to all United flights: "Beware of cockpit intrusion." Flight 93 replies, "Hi Ed. Confirmed." But apparently the pilots aren't told why, what happened at the WTC, or that another plane is missing. ("Just after 9:00," Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 10/28/01, New York Observer, 6/17/04)

(9:24 a.m.) At 9:21, United dispatchers are told to advise their flights to secure cockpit doors. At 9:24, a United dispatcher sends an electronic message to Flight 93 reading: "Beware of cockpit intrusion. Two aircraft in New York hit Trade Center buildings." Flight 93 acknowledges the message two minutes later. This is the last vocal contact from the cockpit of Flight 93. (Independent Commission, 1/27/04) Note that apparently this warning is in addition to an informal one that reaches Flight 93 earlier (see (After 9:00 a.m.)).