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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 03:36 PM
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UA 93: Very strange Winfield quote
BRIGADIER GENERAL W MONTAGUE WINFIELD, US ARMY:
It was about, you know, 10:03 that the fighters reported that Flight 93 had crashed.
(ABC, 9/11/02)

Not only is it really surprising that he was told already at 10:03 (ok maybe just a problem of recollection one year later) but more importantly: He was told by fighters.

The CR states:
The time of notification of the crash of United 93 was 10:15 . The NEADS air defenders never located the flight or followed it on their radar scopes. The flight had already crashed by the time they learned it was hijacked.
(CR, 31)

I think we have here a small contradiction.
I think this deserves a small claryfication.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:49 PM
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1. That is indeed...
Same thing with your post on the other thread. It is just...
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 06:50 AM
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2. Remember Cheney and Mineta
sitting in the shelter. The fighter jet was appoaching the UAL93...

So THIS story is conclusive in itself. It is a lie (see the nashua ATC who told us about fighter jets circling around the FLYING UAL93). But there is no contradiction. And "by chance" even the C-130 which was witnessing the Pentagon impact just arrived in Shanksville too, as it was aked to do. So we have military witnessing the point and date of impact almost immediately after it happened.

Again: according the oddicial story -lie.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:57 PM
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3. Now I think we need to really start adding up all the clear lies.
There are many it seems.
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:48 AM
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4. Nobody wishing to
explain this?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:54 PM
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5. Explain what?
It is pretty easy to read his statement as the fighters reported flight 93 crash time as 10:03
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:46 PM
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6. Really?
It was about, you know, 10:03 that the fighters reported that Flight 93 had crashed.
(ABC, 9/11/02)

First of all, LARED, the fighters didn't reported the flight time AS 10:03 but AT 10:03. And as I wrote I even consider the possibility that the head of the NCMM got the facts wrong but please can you tell me why he received this info from fighters and how fighters can have been in any position to know the crash time? Why wasn't he notified by the FAA?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:52 PM
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7. Because
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 07:35 PM by LARED
there was a plane sent from Washington (originally seeing flight 77) that scooted up torwards flight 93. They got there a few minutes after the crash.

From the 9/11 commisison report


United 93 crashed in Pennsylvania at 10:03:11, 125 miles from Washington, D.C. The precise crash time has been the subject of some dispute.The 10:03:11 impact time is supported by previous National Transportation Safety Board analysis and by evidence from the Commission staff ’s analysis of radar, the flight data recorder, the cockpit voice recorder, infrared satellite data, and air traffic control transmissions.168

Five minutes later, the Command Center forwarded this update to headquarters:

Command Center: O.K. Uh, there is now on that United 93.

FAA Headquarters:Yes.

Command Center: There is a report of black smoke in the last position I gave you, fifteen miles south of Johnstown.

FAA Headquarters: From the airplane or from the ground?

Command Center: Uh, they’re speculating it’s from the aircraft.

FAA Headquarters: Okay.

Command Center: Uh,who, it hit the ground.That’s what they’re speculating,that’s speculation only.169

The aircraft that spotted the “black smoke” was the same unarmed Air National Guard cargo plane that had seen American 77 crash into the Pentagon 27 minutes earlier. It had resumed its flight to Minnesota and saw the smoke from the crash of United 93, less than two minutes after the plane went down. At 10:17, the Command Center advised headquarters of its conclusion that United 93 had indeed crashed."


Perhaps he was mistaken about it being reported by a fighter
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 06:56 AM
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8. Three mistakes in one sentence
Winfield is wrong that it was reported AT 10:03.
Winfield is wrong that it was reported by fighters instead of the famous white plane (which officially wasn't at the crash site at 10:03. Of course this is contradicted by eyewitnesses betw).
Winfield is wrong as he speaks of fighterS using the plural form.
How can you not only mix up the time of a notification but also confound ONE cargo plane with several fighters?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:55 PM
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9. One possible mistake
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 12:57 PM by LARED
It was about, you know, 10:03 that the fighters reported that Flight 93 had crashed. (ABC, 9/11/02)

As indicated in the 9/11 report the unarmed military cargo plane at the scene reported seeing the black smoke from flight 93 about 10:03.

He either mistakenly used the word fighter(s)instead of cargo plane or there was a fighter(s) there, that is not on record. I guessing he just made a mistake.
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