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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:22 AM
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Richard Gage' Personal 9/11 Statement:
http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999979

The WTC Twin Towers and Building #7 appear to have been brought down not by jet impacts and/or fires as we have been led to believe - but by controlled demolition with explosives. The evidence noted on AE911Truth.org and other excellent websites is "prima facie" and will, with the increasing public awareness and demand for the truth, result in a new truly independent investigation with subpoena power. A/E's must now become leaders for 9/11 Truth - Join Us!



http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999979
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:32 AM
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1. Engineers are already discussing this in peer reviewed journals.
http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?167250

Previous analysis of progressive collapse showed that gravity alone suffices to explain the overall collapse of the World Trade Center Towers. However, it remains to be determined whether the recent allegations of controlled demolition have any scientific merit. The present analysis proves that they do not. The video record available for the first few seconds of collapse is shown to agree with the motion history calculated from the differential equation of progressive collapse but, despite uncertain values of some parameters, it is totally out of range of the free fall hypothesis, on which these allegations rest. It is shown that the observed size range (0.01 — 0.1 mm) of the dust particles of pulverized concrete is consistent with the theory of comminution caused by impact, and that less than 10% of the total gravitational energy, converted to kinetic energy, sufficed to produce this dust (whereas, more than 150 t of TNT per tower would have to be installed, into many small holes drilled into concrete, to produce the same pulverization).
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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:30 PM
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14. From the above citation.
"However, it remains to be determined whether the recent allegations of controlled demolition have any scientific merit."
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 04:41 PM
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15. uber fail!
'the present analysis proves they do not' is the very next sentence after the one you quote.

Sad, just friggin' sad.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 06:03 PM
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16. quote mining
look it up.
can we look forward to a day where you stop constantly cutting/pasting from a bullshit site?
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:34 AM
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2. More
Modeling Behavior and Failure of Steel Connections Subject to Elevated Temperatures

http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?263774

"Break elements" were developed to efficiently and accurately capture progressive failures of components and connections with temperature dependent properties for use in finite-element models of structures. These elements were used to model bolted and welded connections and shear connectors between concrete slab and floor framing used in the development of the finite-element modeling of the World Trade Center (WTC) Towers in the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the collapse initiation. Break elements account for geometric effects such as gaps, sliding off of seated connections, and temperature-dependent failure modes such as bolt shear, tear-out, block shear, and weld failure. The break elements were incorporated into the finite-element models of the structural components, subsystems, and global models of the WTC buildings. Validation of the models developed using break elements was achieved through comparison of the results obtained with detailed finite-element models. The models developed using break elements were able to capture the temperature-dependent response of components and connections with only a few degrees of freedom.
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:35 AM
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3. More
Progressive Collapse of the World Trade Center: Simple Analysis

http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?162608

The collapse behavior of the World Trade Center towers is considered formally as a propagating instability phenomenon. The application of associated concepts enables the residual capacities of both towers after the onset of collapse to be formally estimated. This information is combined into a simplified variable-mass collapse model of the overall dynamical behavior. The resulting, nonlinear governing equation of motion can be solved in closed form, to yield compact information about the overall collapse conditions.
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:36 AM
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4. More
Dominant Factor in the Collapse of WTC-
http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?173517

The behavior of the World Trade Center Tower 1 on September 11, 2001 is studied in light of experimental data on the effect of elevated temperature on mechanical properties of structural steel. It is concluded that the damage inflicted by aircraft impact on the insulation of the core framing was the dominant factor in the collapse of the structure.
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:37 AM
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5. More
Evaluation of an Existing Steel Frame Building against Progressive Collapse

http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?170230

The internal forces increase in structural components neighbouring a member, usually a column, removed or destroyed as a result of manmade or natural hazards, such as an explosion. If the additional internal forces created by an initial small or local structural failure can not be efficiently redistributed within the structure, damage spreads and partial or total collapse (progressive collapse) of the building occurs. Progressive collapse has been of an increasing concern in the structural engineering community, especially since the collapse of the World Trade Center towers in 2001. The terrorist attacks showed that well-designed and robust modern buildings can be susceptible to progressive collapse. The Ronan Point collapse of 1968 in London, and the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City in 1996 are the most publicized examples of progressive collapse <1>.
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:40 AM
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Structural Responses of World Trade Center under Aircraft Attacks
http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?144571

At the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the New York World Trade Center (WTC) Towers, extensive structural damage, including localized collapse, occurred at several floor levels directly impacted by the aircraft. Despite this massive localized damage, each structure remained standing for approximately 1 h or 1 h 30 min. Although the damage to the beams and columns in the perimeter tube of each tower were clarified in the published ASCE/FEMA report, the damage to the floor system and inner core columns were not estimated. The purpose of this study is to determine why the towers remained standing after impact through several analytical studies, including impact analyses using a simplified model to estimate the overall damage, a rigorous finite element model to estimate the local damage, and stress analyses after some structural members are lost. The results of the stress analyses show why both buildings did not collapse immediately after impact, and WTC2 collapsed sooner than WTC1.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 03:21 PM
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7. Too many big words
You have probably already lost Stach who just uses this forum as an adjunct to the crappy one he constantly cuts and pastes from...
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 05:03 PM
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8. WTC 7 is giving them fits
While others have tried to explain the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 purely as the result of impact and fires, the collapse of WTC 7 is much more problematic.

None of the papers quoted above discuss WTC 7.
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:09 PM
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9. Ez
How about we concentrate on the two main towers and worry about the ancillary tower later. The big news of the day was the collapse of WTC 1 and 2, WTC 7 was an after thought.

Others have not 'tried' to explain the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 purely as the result of impact and fires, they have explained how WTC 1 and 2 collapsed as a result of the impact of the impact and fires. If you don't believe this is true please explain how the numerous peer reviewed papers are false.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:42 PM
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10. Who exactly is "them"?
And what sort of fits are they having?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:55 PM
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18. How, exactly, is WTC7 giving anyone 'fits' to explain?
Please be specific.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:18 PM
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19. It's giving fits to those that don't understand physics
and those who can't admit there was no conspiracy.
Oh, and those that give that snake-oil salesman Gage money.
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:45 AM
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11. Still waiting Stanche
Or are you a post and run type of guy?
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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:37 PM
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12. Woof.
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:48 PM
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13. That is the most intelligent thing you have posted
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:45 PM
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17. come on stanche! Anything
anything....
anything....

I've posted numerous peer reviewed articles that refute your post and your response is non-existent.
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