Kroll responsible for all loss of life in South Tower including their own John O’Neil

[deconstruct911]

While it appears towers 1,3,4,5,6,7 were all evacuated once the North Tower was struck, office workers in the south tower were told the building was secure and to remain at their offices.

this was UNDOUBTEDLY a resulting product of.........


Kroll Inc., is a private investigation and security firm founded by Jules B. Kroll in 1972. Since then, it has expanded into all areas of corporate risk mitigation including background screening, forensic accounting, bodyguard services, corporate restructuring, and technology services. It is a subsidiary of Marsh & McLennan Companies.

Kroll was responsible for the whole security of the World Trade Center in 2001.


kroll is part of the intelligence community and most definately had an officer in the room available for employee announcements, with direct orders to tell people to go back to their offices


...............in order to raise the death count

The first tower was also struck only 10 floors from the top. PNAC its' self made it clear a pearl harbour scale attack is what they were looking for.

Marsh occupied the entire impact zone of a Boeing 767!

100 Marsh USA 99 Marsh USA 98 Marsh USA 97 Marsh USA 96 Marsh USA 95 Marsh USA 94 Marsh USA 93 Marsh USA, Fred Alger Management

Guess who owns Kroll now? Marsh & McLennan. The biggest insurance brokerage on the planet! Remember the story about stock option trading on insurance companies located in the towers. there was a deluge of electronic trading just minutes before the first plane struck.

Kroll did business with the Company which retrieved data from these hard drives processing the transactions. Probably to further their espionage/spy agenda!

"Convars department in England, Ontrack had Kroll (->) as one of their investors, a subsidiary of risk consulting company Kroll O'Gara (former Kroll Associates, Inc), who is responsible for the security of all US-presidents since 1945. One of Krolls former employees was Jerome Hauer. (->) In June 2002 Kroll Inc. acquired Ontrack and formed a new wholly-owned subsidiary of Kroll named Kroll Ontrack The data of the Twin Tower computers might be classified"


http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Convar.shtml

"put options and military anthrax=facts"
----
Jerome Hauer told white house to take Cipro anti-anthrax drug before anthrax scare.

Hauer (@ Kroll) found ex-FBI top expert on Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, terrorism, John O'Neill job as head security after O'Neill quit FBI due to hampered investigations.

John O'Neill dies at WTC on 911: 1st or 2nd day of job

Jerome Hauer on ABC on 911 : "no planted explosives : just planes" ... "no state sponsored act : just Bin Laden"

He knew this on 911?

[SDuderstadt]

1. You've got to be fucking kidding....

this is why no one takes you seriously here, dude.

Again I ask...is there ANY conspiracy theory so goofy even YOU won't embrace it, dude?

[deconstruct911]

2. It’s not a fucking joke! Real people! Real announcement!

I remember a documentary on CBC about phone calls from the towers. One mother who spoke of her sons last calls heard the announcement as her son held the phone to the PA... She told him to get out but he insisted it was secure like the announcement said!

While it is BEYOND evident all the other towers were already in the process of evacuation it's beyond me that there would be an exception for office workers in the South Tower who had one third of an hour to escape the doomed floors. If you noticed twice as many people died in the first tower even though it was hit 20 stories higher. There is no doubt office workers in the south tower would have seen jumpers shortly after the explosion to the north tower and were leaving. Not only would it have prevented at least 600 deaths it would have saved hundreds of fire fighters lives to not make such a silly announcement!

If you disagree otherwise with the post that is fine.

Real people, real order! How else did 600 victims die in that tower?

[SDuderstadt]

3. Dude....

read your headline again. Do you really think no one died when the plane struck the tower????

I honestly and sincerely question your basic reasoning skills, dude.

[deconstruct911]

6. 1400 in the north. 250 from Marsh (impact zone) 600 from the south tower.

Somehow I imply no one died?

[Ohio Joe]

4. So....

"Kroll was responsible for the whole security of the World Trade Center in 2001."

"kroll is part of the intelligence community and most definately had an officer in the room available for employee announcements, with direct orders to tell people to go back to their offices"

"Kroll O'Gara (former Kroll Associates, Inc), who is responsible for the security of all US-presidents since 1945."

"Kroll did business with the Company which retrieved data from these hard drives processing the transactions. Probably to further their espionage/spy agenda!"

I don't suppose you have anything to back up these claims?

[deconstruct911]

5. John O'Neil was head of security

Hired by Kroll. If they didn’t manage all security they managed a heck of a lot.

Kroll hires many ex cia/fbi/British secret service types.
John O’Neil was a top guy from the FBI.... Bin Laden’s arch nemesis who investigated basically every Bin Laden bombing.

Ironically after 9 11 Kroll got many building security contracts. And AIG and Marsh both run by the Greenberg’s boosted insurance premiums. AIG also has 400 private aircraft. Regardless their stock bounced back remarkably well since the attacks on the world trade center.



Watch WKJO.

[zappaman]

7. by jove, you got it!

You are halfway to solving this, deconstruct!
Here's a clue that holds the answer to the final pieces of this puzzle..."evidence".
Once you figure out what "evidence" is and then apply "evidence" to your random bits of allegations, you will have solved this mystery!
Happy hunting!

[Ohio Joe]

8. So....

You have no proof of your claims... got it.

"Kroll hires many ex cia/fbi/British secret service types."

What a shock... a security firm hires ex security people... shocking I tell ya.

[deconstruct911]

9. History Commons has serveral... Were long past this already GOT IT!

Posses something that says otherwise or don’t waste my time.

[Ohio Joe]

10. So....

You want me to dis-prove your theories that you admit you have no proof of or they are true... got it.

[deconstruct911]

11. Now you can start because you apparently can't research.....

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=convar__gmbh_1

ABC news-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgACWoL7Ks
"Several firms have been hired by financial companies to recover hard drives with critical data"

ZDF journal March 11, 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-OClX54EFQ

[Ohio Joe]

12. So....

That backs up which of these?

"Kroll was responsible for the whole security of the World Trade Center in 2001."

"kroll is part of the intelligence community and most definately had an officer in the room available for employee announcements, with direct orders to tell people to go back to their offices"

"Kroll O'Gara (former Kroll Associates, Inc), who is responsible for the security of all US-presidents since 1945."

"Kroll did business with the Company which retrieved data from these hard drives processing the transactions. Probably to further their espionage/spy agenda!"

[deconstruct911]

13. 93 WTC bombing aftermath- Kroll begins at World Trade Centers

The bombing happened under the plaza and not under either building. The parking garage where the truck exploded was directly over the chiller systems for the complex. Extensive repairs to the physical plant that provided AC to the buildings had to be done. Without the bombing there would have been no excuse or need for anyone to change out this equipment and for any of the extensive modifications that were made to the buildings has a result.
http://www.riskmanagement.lesliesparks.com/library/VirtualLibrary/brociner_0111.pdf


NEWS report about WTC bombing FBI Foreknowledge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1Y6cGRXEs

This is when Kroll begins their work at the WTC!
WTC & Sears Tower security
Kroll were responsible for revamping security at the World Trade Center after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.<3> They also took on responsibility for security at Chicago's Sears Tower following the September 11, 2001 attacks.<4> Kroll Inc. also HIRED former FBI special investigator John P. O'Neill, specializing on Osama Bin Laden to head the security at the WTC complex just prior to September the 11th 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kroll_Inc.

Kroll did business with Convar who recovered the insider trading data:

"Ontrack and Electronic Data Recovery
Kroll acquired a computer forensics, electronic discovery, and data recovery company named Ontrack, which has revolutionized Kroll's business operations. Kroll Ontrack has patented technologies and capabilities in recovering seemingly deleted files, including internet-based information cleared from the cache. In addition, Kroll Ontrack is the leading provider of legal technologies, with operations in North America, Europe, and Asia Pacific. Kroll Ontrack's technology is expanding in-house, amplifying Kroll's capacities in its other divisions."

"Using the technology, "It's possible to read the individual drive surfaces, and then create a virtual drive," said Peter Wagner, a spokesman for the company, a subsidiary of U.K.-based Convar Europe Ltd."
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/industry/12/20/wtc.harddrives.idg/


Kroll did in part manage evacuation on Sept 11:

Another home-based client was the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which hired Kroll after the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Kroll was credited with the Port Authority's ability to evacuate the majority of the towers' workers after the first plane hit on September 11, 2001, and before the buildings collapsed.

http://www.answers.com/topic/kroll-inc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=7GDa-L4hHHo

Kroll was heavily involved with the intelligence community; after all they hired John O'Neil as HEAD OF SECURITY!

As the firm's reputation grew, Kroll assembled an extensive network of former agents from the FBI, CIA, Mossad, and MI-5; police officers; attorneys and prosecutors; auditors and accountants; licensed private detectives; and computer experts.


Kroll was definitely on a roll when the firm was hired by the Foreign Affairs Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1985 to confirm reports Philippines President Ferdinand Marcos and his shoe-crazed wife Imelda had embezzled upwards of $200 million.
http://www.answers.com/topic/kroll-inc

ADDED LINKS-
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/01/business/a-midlife-crisis-at-kroll-associates.html

[Ohio Joe]

18. So....

After looking through your links, I will ask again... Anything at all to back up these claims?

"Kroll was responsible for the whole security of the World Trade Center in 2001."

"kroll is part of the intelligence community and most definately had an officer in the room available for employee announcements, with direct orders to tell people to go back to their offices"

"Kroll O'Gara (former Kroll Associates, Inc), who is responsible for the security of all US-presidents since 1945."

"Kroll did business with the Company which retrieved data from these hard drives processing the transactions. Probably to further their espionage/spy agenda!"

The only one of these claims that kind-of sort-of gets backed up is the last one, and that by a wiki reference that has no cite... not the most reliable.

Also, these disprove claim 1 % 2:

"Kroll were responsible for revamping security at the World Trade Center after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing"

"Kroll did in part manage evacuation on Sept 11:

Another home-based client was the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which hired Kroll after the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Kroll was credited with the Port Authority's ability to evacuate the majority of the towers' workers after the first plane hit on September 11, 2001, and before the buildings collapsed."

Are you reading what your putting here? It is pretty clear that the Port Authority managed the evacuation, Kroll helped out coming up with a plan in case it was needed. Revamping security in 93 does not translate to running evacuation in 01.

Thanks though for the PM letting me know you had come up with some links, let me know if you come up with any that put some weight behind the claims.

[deconstruct911]

21. Actually

it’s all well documented and Kroll+ port authority did security. Kroll was a huge part. They hired John O’Neil as chief of security. Not even the PA but in fact KROLL. There is simply no way around that! But I guess a group that is not involved with security hires the guy who will be chief of security right?


I feel we go over the same thing again and again. Go to kroll's website. KROLL ONTRACK IS A JOINT COMPANY!

Ontrack was a subsidiary of Convar

Convar = oops, think twice next time you try to delete files or destroy hard drives! Why do you think Kroll was interested in that kind of leverage in the business?

[deconstruct911]

22. From jet fuel to Iraq, how it was sold. Marsh+Kroll connections

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj0Rz9ZsDAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDa-L4hHHo 2:19-6:10
Dan Rather: Based on what you know, and I recognize we’re dealing with so few facts, is it possible that just a plane crash could have collapsed these buildings, or would it have required the, sort of, prior positioning of other explosives in the, uh, in the buildings? I mean, what do you think?

Jerome Hauer: No, I, uh, my sense is just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building, uh, that burned, uh, the velocity of that plane, uh, certainly, uh, uh, had an impact on the structure itself, and then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat, uh, probably weakened the structure as well, uh, and I think it, uh, was, uh, simply the, uh, the planes hitting the buildings, and, and causing the collapse.
Jerome Hauer is certainly a remarkable guest, isn't he? On the very morning of the event, he had the whole thing figured out.

The collapse was simply due to the planes hitting the buildings, just the velocity of the plane and of course the fact that it was filled with fuel, and the fact that it burned and of course you had that intense heat which must have weakened the structure ... It's incredible, of course. It's also half of the official story!

But let's get back to the attack itself. Who did it? Who could have done it? If you were watching CBS that morning, you would have heard this:
Dan Rather: What perspective can you give us? I mean, there have been these repeated reports that, well, yes, Osama Bin Laden, but some think he’s been over-emphasized as, as responsible for these kinds of events. I know many intelligence, uh, people at very high levels who say, listen, you can’t have these kinds of attacks without having some state, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, somebody involved. Put that into perspective for us.

Jerome Hauer: Yeah, well I’m not sure I agree that, umm, this is necessarily state-sponsored. Umm, it, as I mentioned earlier, certainly has, umm, the, uh, fingerprints of somebody like Bin Laden.
And that, of course, is the other half of the official story.

How did Dan Rather happen to have a guest with him on the morning of 9/11 who knew the entire official story before it became public knowledge?

Jerome Hauer was introduced to CBS's viewers as a former director of NYC's OEM. Strangely, perhaps, CBS News audiences were not told he was also a managing director of the security company responsible for the twin towers. And of course no one was told to start taking Cipro -- except the White House.



Paul Bremer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soAGSevjumk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2pW6WZhZrQ&feature=related

“Iraq should remain on the list!”
“If we throw away the democratic freedoms and civil liberties that are at the heart of our society that’s what they are after. That’s what we can’t allow to happen”

So now he contradicts Jerome Hauer and adds it’s important not to give up civil liberties! This of course BEFORE the Anthrax scares….. Not only was the anthrax scare an excuse to strip civil liberties, it was initially alleged Iraq was responsible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ResY3SYXa8w

Isn’t it funny Paul Bremer says this stuff and goes on to be the U.S. Administrator to Iraq charged with overseeing the reconstruction of Iraq.

No it’s another coincidence…..

[deconstruct911]

25. Kroll in the media after 93 bombing

A conversation with terrorism expert Brian Jenkins, Deputy Chairman at Kroll Associates, 1997

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-396490582790856827# 14-15 minutes in:

Brian Jenkins:
“Ah when People move off of the political spectrum all together, ah into the realm of thought where they believe they have a mandate of god, then there really are no real moral restraints on this planet that will stop them.”

Charlie Rose: “Back to the question of, how close it was, how close it was, at the world trade center if he had more explosives because those two buildings toppling down, its do able!, 2nd how close it might have been with explosions in the subway, that was going to take place, is it inevitable that the American public recognize, somehow, somewhere, there is going to be a major disaster perpetrated from outside the United States as there was domestically in OKC”?

Brian Jenkins: “I think we have to accept that possibility.”
Charlie Rose: “Were no longer immune”?
Brian Jennings: “We are not immune to terrorism.”


Paul Bremer, ITN News 1993:

“These people don’t hate us for the friends we have, they hate us for who we are.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih8yPzPgWEA&feature=PlayList&p=1B32E5368247D18E&playnext_from=PL&index=45&playnext=2 2:42-3:20

“The targets so far as we can tell from what we have seen are largely symbolic, the world trade center, ah disrupting the financial center, going after tunnels and infrastructure targets.”

[Ohio Joe]

27. Then please provide a link to back it up

We do keep going over the same shit. You keep making claims for which there is no evidence and I keep asking you to provide some evidence.

[deconstruct911]

14. Richard andrew grove says AIG/MARSH/KROLL to blame for 9/11

AIG run by Greenberg family
MARSH run by Greenberg family
Kroll run by AIG & MARSH

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/industry/12/20/wtc.harddrives.idg/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-OClX54EFQ
"What is on these recovered hard drives? No one has said so far, but some of the data pertains to stock options trading in which 'unknown speculators' bet heavily that the stock prices of the U.S. airlines would sharply fall in September 2001. SEC Chairman at that time, Harvey Pitt, said of these mysterious options traders, "We will find them, wherevery they are." But did the SEC, FBI, etc...ever find them? They never said."

Richard Wagner, a data retrieval expert at the company, said illegal transfers of more than $100 million might have been made immediately before and during the disaster. "There is a suspicion that some people had advance knowledge of the approximate time of the plane crashes in order to move out amounts exceeding $100 million," Wagner said. "They thought that the records of their transactions could not be traced after the main frames were destroyed."

“up to the last moment,” between the time that the first tower was hit until the second tower collapsed, there was an “unusual” increase in trading volume of “between 5 and 10 times the normal volume.”
The inside information appears to be so precise that experts have concluded that it could have only come from those who masterminded the terror attacks.
http://press.convar.com/pdf/de/Presse_echo_17_12_2002.pdf

“Let me tell you what Marsh was up to… In 2000 SilverStream was contracted by Marsh to provide a technological solution beyond what we had done for any of the above-named companies; in sofar as it would be used to electronically connect Marsh to its major business partners via internet portals, for the purpose of creating “paperless transactions” and expediting revenue and renewal cycles, and built from the ground up at the client’s site.

SilverStream provided a specific type of connectivity that was used to link AIG and Marsh & McLennan- the first two commercial companies on the planet to employ this type of transaction- and in fact Marsh was presented with something called the ACORD Award in the summer of 2001 for being the first Commercial Corporation to do so and what you should take away from that is this: it means that no other companies were doing this type of transaction, so the question in your mind should be- what then were Marsh and AIG doing, and why did they need to leverage technologies that no other commercial entity on the face of the earth needed to conduct business?”
Richard Andrew Grove, SilverStream Software. Ex-client for Marsh & McLennan
http://ourworldinbalance.blogspot.com/2006/04/story-of-richard-andrew-grove.html

Note: Floor numbers are part of American Airlines Flight 11's impact area of the North Tower:


100 Marsh USA

99 Marsh USA

98 Marsh USA

97 Marsh USA

96 Marsh USA

95 Marsh USA

94 Marsh USA

93 Marsh USA, Fred Alger Management

Convar, Zembla, 9/10/2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh3_wWmS6lk

[deconstruct911]

15. O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt

Change and Rampant Growth: 1995-99

"The $70 million company then hooked up with O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt, an Ohio-based armored car manufacturer. The new firm, Kroll-O'Gara Company, traded on the NASDAQ under the ticker symbol KROG.

Unfortunately, problems seemed to crop up almost immediately for the merged companies, from two corporate headquarters to the management styles of its officers--Jules Kroll, as chairman and CEO, and the O'Gara brothers (Bill and Thomas), who were co-vice chairmen. While the O'Garas and Kroll had worked together over the years, running their companies together was something entirely different."


http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Kroll-Inc-Company-History.html

In 1942 they began the production of commercial armored vehicles and a few years later prepared a bullet-resistant car for then President Harry S Truman. O'Gara has provided mobile security for more than sixty international heads-of-state, every American President since 1948, numerous U.S. government agencies, the U.S. Army and the U.S. Air Force. O'Gara armors a variety of vehicles, including limousines, sedans, sport utility vehicles, and cash-in-transit vehicles, to protect against varying degrees of ballistic and blast threats. The company also builds armored personnel carriers, mobile water cannon and pursuit vehicles. The company is the prime contractor to the U.S. Military for the supply of armoring and blast protection for High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV or Humvee).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centigon

[Name removed]

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[k-robjoe]

17. You get to yell on the internet.

When there´s nothing else left, there´s allways namecalling on the internet. Sigh...

[SDuderstadt]

19. The OP (in this case, the content, not the poster)...

is truly stupid. I'm with Zappaman on this. This is truly embarrassing to DU. For example, some of the source material cited claims, among other things, that Kroll has provided bodyguards to all US Presidents. I think that the US Secret Service would not only be surprised to hear that, but they would openly laugh at anyone promoting the notion that private security would be permitted to run parallel to the SS.

It's the inability of CT's to figure out the way the world around them actually works that makes me so dismissive of them in general. This OP is no exception. It's pure bullshit.

[deconstruct911]

20. # 15 is for you!

[SDuderstadt]

23. Dude....

If you wouldn't word things so poorly, you wouldn't get half the crap you get from the rest of us. Could you please tell me how providing armored vehicles for Presidents has to do with providing "bodyguards" for them? Do you know how to read????

[deconstruct911]

24. What?

“Convars department in England, Ontrack had Kroll (-> as one of their investors, a subsidiary of risk consulting company Kroll O'Gara (former Kroll Associates, Inc), who is responsible for the security of all US-presidents since 1945.”

This from 911review.org this does not say Kroll provides bodyguards. It says kroll and O’gara are a merged company, responsible for us presidents security since 1945. It fails to substantiate that Kroll merged with O’ Gara in the 90’s and that the security offered is armored vehicles. That is true but saying they provide BODYGUARDS is stretching it. A quick scan on O’gara however shows that it provides armored vehicles for presidents. However 911 review didn’t say they provided bodyguards and neither did I.

"Could you please tell me how providing armored vehicles for Presidents has to do with providing "bodyguards" for them? Do you know how to read????"

Makes me wonder where that kind of question would come from.... Until you read who it was posted by. Smooth one.

[SDuderstadt]

26. Jesus, dude....

it was YOUR fucking claim. Do you deny that?

[Twist_U_Up]

31. "I'm with Zappaman on this".....

theres a shocker. birds of a feather......

[zappaman]

32. thank you, tutu

btw, have you cracked the case yet?

[Twist_U_Up]

33. no problem

;-)

[Name removed]

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[terrafirma]

28. What's the point of raising the death count?

You suggesting that there's a death quota that PNAC had in order for them to feel comfortable starting a war?

If that's the case, why make up this elaborate plot with planes and Arabs?? Why not just nuke Lower Manhattan?

[deconstruct911]

29. The death count was Pearl Harbor scale....

PNAC said something like that was a chance to put the plans in action....

Atta was bent on destruction and would have thought people would probably not stick around in the south tower. However he flew only 10 floors from the top of the first strike? The fact he parked at Marsh is beyond coincidence. Marsh was heavily involved with pre insider trading and a little something else...


"Still, just days after September 11, Greenberg and top MMC execs met to figure out how to profit from the disaster. They formed a subsidiary -- Axis Specialty Ltd. -- to sell insurance to corporate customers at three or four times the rates before September 11. MMC says that it was merely "meeting market demands."

For some industry players the move recalled what Greenberg did in 1992 after Hurricane Andrew slammed into South Florida and wiped out some $15 billion worth of property. Jeff, who was working for dad at AIG, sent out an internal memo stating: "This is an opportunity to get price increases now."

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_44/b3906001_mz001.htm