'Has the FBI Infiltrated the Tea Parties?'

[Make7]

 

A friend asked me that question yesterday. Of course, I said. We know that Homeland Security considers Ron Paul supporters and other libertarians to be potential terrorists (which is all you need to know about the state’s use of that term). In the 1970s, the FBI had agents at the tiny Libertarian party’s conventions. Now the FBI and other spy agencies are vastly bigger. There are the federal and state DHSs. Then there is the CIA, other intelligence agencies, and what used to be called the Red Squads of state and local police departments. There are probably hundreds of thousands of government spies in the land of the free. And as with all such efforts, a number will be agents provocateurs. The police state’s “right-wing extremists,” like the “left-wing extremists” of yore, will set out to cause trouble so as to discredit opposition to the state. For example, recent Tea Party people who allegedly denounced a Parkinson’s patient or spat at gay and black congressmen might well have been agents. Offensive signs might be Made in DC too. Next might come calls for violence by alleged Tea Party types, and perhaps acts, which can be used to suppress dissent. Peaceful resistance is not only right, it is all that works, unless you are with the state. If anyone urges the use of violence, the state’s characteristic action, he is probably an agent.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/53938.html

The more one reads, the more it becomes obvious that almost everything is an inside job. What then can be done to fight the omnipresent national security state? Any efforts will surely be undermined by yet another inside job. Is there no reasonable way to successfully protest? I fear there is not.
 
Who are the real April Fools?

[SDuderstadt]

1. Lew Rockwell is...

an idiot.

[BeFree]

2. Then there is this:

Headline:
Accused terrorist Harkat gets bombshell help from declassified U.S. documents

Link to LBN thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=102&topic_id=4328965&mesg_id=4328965

Seems Bushco really did run amok. No telling what they have done.

[zappaman]

3. "No telling what they have done."

Like be responsible for 9/11?

[SDuderstadt]

4. I thought you were "done", dude....

were you just getting our hopes up?

[BeFree]

5. --3 Federal Judges Conclude: Bush-Cheney-NSA Director-Bush Officials--Broke Law--Committed Felonies.

GD thread... Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8067348&mesg_id=8067348

Thursday, Apr 1, 2010 05:02 EDT
The criminal NSA eavesdropping program
By Glenn Greenwald

While torture and aggressive war may have been the most serious crimes which the Bush administration committed, its warrantless eavesdropping on American citizens was its clearest and most undeniable lawbreaking. Federal District Judge Vaughn Walker yesterday became the third federal judge -- out of three who have considered the question -- to find that Bush's warrantless eavesdropping program was illegal (the other two are District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor and 6th Circuit Appellate Judge Ronald Gilman who, on appeal from Judge Taylor's decision, in dissent reached the merits of that question and adopted Taylor's conclusion that the NSA program was illegal).

That means that all 3 federal judges to consider the question have concluded that Bush's NSA program violated the criminal law (FISA). That law provides that anyone who violates it has committed a felony and shall be subject to 5 years in prison and a $10,000 fine for each offense. The law really does say that. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001809----000-.html Just click on that link and you'll see. It's been obvious for more than four years that Bush, Cheney, NSA Director (and former CIA Director) Michael Hayden and many other Bush officials broke the law -- committed felonies -- in spying on Americans without warrants. Yet another federal judge has now found their conduct illegal. If we were a country that actually lived under The Rule of Law, this would be a huge story, one that would produce the same consequences for the lawbreakers as a bank robbery, embezzlement or major drug dealing. But since we're not such a country, it isn't and it doesn't.

[SDuderstadt]

6. And this is precisely the kind of outcome I've been waiting for....

which is why I get so frustrated with the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd.

I'm not sure what the next steps are, but Bush needs to be held accountable for his abises and outright crimes.

[BeFree]

7. yeah

If we were a country that actually lived under The Rule of Law, this would be a huge story, one that would produce the same consequences for the lawbreakers as a bank robbery, embezzlement or major drug dealing. But since we're not such a country, it isn't and it doesn't.

[SDuderstadt]

8. Sorry things don't go at your pace, dude...

maybe you should run for office or something.

[BeFree]

9. eh?

WTF is that supposed to mean: "Sorry things don't go at your pace"??

Are things going at your pace? You like the way things are going?

You throw out this kind of shit all the time and never take a stand other than blame truthers.

It's no wonder you are so disliked.

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[spooked911]

12. how exactly do you support Obama then, when he defended the Bush policies?????

What OUTCOME? Nothing is going to happen when Obama covers up the worst of Bush crimes.

[SDuderstadt]

13. How, specifically, is Obama...

"covering up" Bush crimes, dude?

[spooked911]

17. oh god, you are so clueless

read some Glenn Greenwald, to start, okay?

[BeFree]

18. Yeah

We got our no planers, nukers and cheney was at the controls.

What do they got?

"What problems? I don't see no problems."

[SDuderstadt]

20. Dude....

please point to anyone who has claimed there are no problems. More of your stupid hyperbole.

[SDuderstadt]

19. I read Glenn Greenwald all the time...

how about something specific?

PS. I'm pretty sure that when I read whatever you cite, it won't quite say what your claiming, dude.

Keep digging, Spooked...you're almost there!

[spooked911]

21. via Greenwald

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/04/obama_wiretap_ruling.php

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[spooked911]

11. I can't argue with this--

the extent of control over every possible means of expression against the status quo is truly disturbing. And you don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to see that.

http://trueslant.com/allisonkilkenny/2010/03/07/normalizing-the-police-state-and-how-it-ends-with-taser-firing-drones/

[SDuderstadt]

14. You mean because people aren't buying your...

"no-planes" bullshit?

Dude, you should consider yourself fortunate there's any kind of a forum that lets you spread such nonsense, regardless of the placement.

[zappaman]

16. I have an idea for an experiment

What if we put some bunnies in a cage and then add in some bunnies with 'FBI" spraypainted on their fur?
If the regular bunnies accept them, we will know that it is possible for the FBI to infiltrate the teabaggers too.
Good idea?

[Ohio Joe]

15. I hope they have infiltrated the teabaggers

Their a violent and racist bunch of kooks, the FBI should be on them.

[chrisa]

23. The old "agent" excuse never flew.

It's an excuse for groups that don't want to admit they have some bad members, imo.