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icee2 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:47 PM
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Stunning new info on the conspiracy to murder JFK & conspiracy to cover up
Doug Hornes Inside the Assassination Records Review Board (IARRB) is the most important book to be published on the assassination of President Kennedy in decades, not only because it changes the way we look at that murder, but in showing how the remaining issues can be resolved by determining the truth.

All the debates end here, and the arguments are replaced with questions that were posed but not answered when the Assassination Records Review Board was alive and ostensibly overseeing the declassification and release of the government's JFK assassination records. Many of the questions weren't even asked because the ARRB failed to fully use its power to subpoena witnesses and take the sworn testimony of witness.

As Horne, the chief analyst for military records explains, "While the Review Board had the power to subpoena witnesses and grant immunity, the subpoena power was used sparingly (with a limited number of medical and CIA witnesses), and the immunity power was never exercised.

Chapter 14 of this Volume - The Zapruder Film Mystery, is sure to be one of the most significant and controversial chapters, and there are others.

After the ARRB held one of its few, if only public hearings, on the Zapurder film, which was carried on C-Span, two former CIA officers came forward and reported how they made enlargements from the original film of the assassination, and a former head of the CIA's photo department was intensely interviewed on the record by a researcher.

Together, these interviews indicate that two different films were used when making enlargements, the second version having been developed at a top secret Kodak processing plant at the Rochester, New York HQ called Hawk Eye Works.

While even this name was classified, and Doug Horne couldn't use it or say it because of his security oath, others have published the name and he can now refer to it.

Although there isn't much on the Hawk Eye Works available yet, it's clear that it was named after Kodak's Brownie Hawkeye camera, but was actually a Top Secret lab used - in 1963 - to develop the film from the first CORONA satellite photos, and Kodak later became one of the top three defense contractors involved in the supersecret NRO, who used Collins Radio as a cover when building their new headquarters in Virginia.

While Doug's chapter (#14) on the Z-film is nearly 200 pages long, it also includes examples of alteration that haven't been seen before - as revealed in new, single frame, Z-film enlargements provided by forum member Sydney Wilkenson, who works on Hollywood movies.

She also arranged for some Hollywood special effects professionals to review the Z-film and show how and where it was tampered with, and maybe figure out why.

Although it will take some time to wade through five volumes of intense analysis of the medical evidence and the cold war setting that framed the assassination, the first volume now available Volume IV - is a good one to start with, especially for its complete rundown on the Zapruder film.

Just when you think you've heard everything, you learn something new.


as with the recognition that they used two different brains in writing the autopsy report(s), its now clear that they also controlled the Zapruder film from early on, and that even though copies were made, they were all controlled, and the chain of evidence was broken.

This is proven by the reports of three CIA officers who made enlargements of different versions of the original film at different times at the NPIC in DC, clearly describing different films, both said to be originals.

In retrospect, if they have the kill the President, frame the patsy and control the autopsy, they certainly had the ability to control and alter other evidence as well, including the Z-film.

Now without further debate over whether Mooreman was in the street or if leaves are real, I'd like Tink and others to read the relevant chapter in Vol. IV. IARRB and let us know if the loss of the true provenance of the Z-film has an effect on the value of the evidence?

Without regard to what's on the film, can it now be accepted that the Z-film we now have at the Archives, and pay copyright for use to the Sixth Floor Museum, is not the unedited, unaltered movie that Zapruder filmed?

I understand that it will take awhile for the details of this book to circulate, and for people to buy and read, but I think its important that we all do read it and consider the implications.


Bill Kelly
http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:15 PM
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1. I've never understood why the Zapruder film is trusted for anything other...
than establishing the timing of the shots, given that it was held in a vault at Henry Luce's LIFE magazine for several years before its first public release. Garrison claimed the key frames of the headshot were reversed, but regardless, this evidence was irretrievably tainted.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:37 PM
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2. Just so I get this right....

People who refer to the Zapruder film as proof of multiple shooters are wrong, because the Zapruder film has been doctored to support a single shooter theory.

Is that correct?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:22 PM
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3. Fetzer has written a book. as well on the fake Z-film . . .
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 07:23 PM by defendandprotect
and I think anyone who sees it for the first time sees that there are serious

problems with it --

They wait, however, for the MSM or "experts" to confirm that for them and it never

came.

Maybe MSM and "experts" just weren't smart enough to see what we can all see?

One of the most important statements by The Tunnheim Panel -- John Tunnheim headed it --

was that --

"OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY

ALSO FOR THE FBI" --

First thing journalists asked for when JFK was killed was for Oswald's W-2 forms ...

tax reports -- pay slips -- all refused.

Obviously the panel would have been able to see those.

This was personal info delivered by Tunnheim and the panel members on a Discovery Program

which was quickly pulled. Can only hope someone has copies of it somewhere!!!???

Evidently, Tunnheim also made this report to Congress in secret sessions .... about the

time the Repugs were trying to impeach Clinton!!!




Edited to add a PS . . . what we should remember about the coup on JFK is that it was

a coup on our "people's" government --

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:09 PM
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4. More of D&P's total bullshit...
The ARRB never, ever said that anywhere.
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newlib Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:52 AM
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5. the jfk case is something I know a little bit about, and I agree with

you that the z film is problematic. Dr. Fetzer (Ph.d) held a symposium a few years back and he invited some
very smart people to attend it and give talks on various aspects of why the z film was altered/doctored.

he edited the book "The Great Zapruder Film Hoax" and now this gentleman, mr. Horne, has written a very detailed
book which tells even more about the z film chain of evidence and how the present version came to be.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:46 PM
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11. Thank you -- I'll make sure to look for the book !!
:)
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duphase Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:47 PM
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15. Gunpowder odor detected at scene of the shooting of JFK

Here's more evidence of shots from ground level near JFK's limo - which also means at least two shooters - which means CONSPIRACY.


Extract from Fred Newcomb & Perry Adams, Murder From Within (Santa Barbara, California: Probe, 1974), chapter 3, “Execution,” chapter entitled “Gunpowder”

In addition to the eyewitnesses and ear witnesses, there were also nose witnesses to the murder.
Those who smelled gunpowder at the scene of the shooting helped to pinpoint the source of the shots. Placed on a map (Fig. 3-7), they were within the path of the motorcade or near Elm St. The motorcade headed west down Elm St. into a modest breeze. (1)

Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, "You could smell the gunpowder…you knew he wasn't far away. When you're that close you can smell the powder burning, why you - you've got to be pretty close to them…you could smell the gunpowder…right there in the street. (2)

Senator Ralph W. Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street (3) and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital. (4)

Two cars behind Yarborough was the Cabell car. Mrs. Cabell said that she "…was acutely aware of the odor of gunpowder." (5) She added that Congressman Ray Roberts, seated next to her, had mentioned it also. (6)

According to Tom C. Dillard, two cars behind the Cabell car, he "…very definitely smelled gunpowder when the cars moved up at the corner of Elm and Houston Streets." (7)

Vergie Rackley stood in front of the depository building. "She recalled that after the second shot she smelled gunsmoke…" (8)

At the time of the shots, patrolman Joe M. Smith moved from the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets toward the triple underpass. When interviewed at that time, he stated that he smelled gunpowder near the underpass. (9)

Patrolman Earle V. Brown, stationed 100 yards west of the underpass, stated that he heard the shots and then smelled gunpowder as the car sped beneath him. (10)


(1) Billy J. Martin, “Testimony of B. J. Martin , “ in Hearings, v. 6, p.291.
Marion L. Baker, op. cit., v. 3, p. 245.
Mrs. Robert A. Reid, “Testimony of Mrs. Robert A. Reid ,” in Hearings, v. 3, p. 273.
Arnold L. Rowland, “Testimony of Arnold Lewis Rowland ,” in Hearings, v. 2, p.181.
Luke Mooney, “Testimony of Luke Mooney ,” in Hearings, v. 3, p. 282.
James F. Romack, “Testimony of James Filbert Romack ,” in Hearings, v. 6., p. 280.
A frame from the Muchmore film shows the coats of Ms. Hill and Ms. Moorman blowing in the wind (UPI, Four Days, p. 20).

(2) Interview with Billy J. Martin.

(3) Interview with Sen. Ralph W. Yarborough.

(4) Charles Roberts, The Truth About the Assassination, p.17.
The Texas Observer, Nov. 29, 1963, p. 5.
Seth Kantor, “Kantor Exhibit No. 3. ‘Handwritten notes made by Seth Kantor concerning events surrounding the assassination,’” in Hearings, v. 20, p. 351.
Manchester, op. cit., p. 177 (PB).

(5) Ibid., v. 7, p. 487

(6) Ibid., v. 7, p. 487.

(7) Tom C. Dillard, op. cit., v. 6, p. 165

(8) Vergie Rackley, Commission Document No. 5, pp. 66-67

(9) Joe M. Smith, “Testimony of Joe Marshall Smith ,” in Hearings, v. 7, pp. 534-535.
Note: When interviewed by the FBI on Dec. 9, 1963, Smith denied this and claimed he smelt gunpowder in the parking lot by the depository (Commission Document No. 205 (SSID, JT), p. 310).

(10) Earle V. Brown, “Testimony of Earle V. Brown ,” in Hearings, v. 6, p. 311.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:54 PM
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16. Then explain where the entrance wounds showing a shot from the front are....
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 07:54 PM by SDuderstadt
dude. You keep peddling this recycled bullshit.
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tetedur Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:45 AM
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6. Excellent interview over at Black Op Radio in the archives
In two parts, Horne gives a great overview of his 5 volume book.

Show #451 http://blackopradio.com/archives2009.html

He reveals that a 6K scan of a forensic copy of the film shows the obvious fraud and the artwork in certain frames.
He explains it much better than I can. Stunning information. Well worth the time to listen to it.
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newlib Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:01 AM
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7. the artwork is the painted "blob" that's seen for one frame in the
z film - a very crude attempt to make it appear that jfk had been struck from behind.
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tetedur Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:12 AM
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8.  I don't want to spoil the revelation, Horne does such a thorough job
at the end of the second part of the interview, he's talking about frame 317 (among others.) The back of the president's head has been painted. This is just one aspect of all that he reveals.
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newlib Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:31 AM
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9. maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, but I thought that maybe
some people on this forum may only have a passing interest in the assassination and that revealing the painted-on blob might help
kindle interest in the case.

what was done about the freeway sign is another interesting tidbit, but I'll hold off talking any further about it to give people
time to listen to the interviews first.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:10 AM
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10. Good post...
BOR has archived so much and has allowed their guests unfiltered and unrestricted time in their interviews. The interviews are all archived, and as a focus of research, you won't find a more objective source and hours of information.

http://www.blackopradio.com
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:48 PM
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12. Thanks for the additional info -- I'll make sure to listen to this . . .
and fav it --

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tetedur Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:33 PM
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17. Correction: That's show No. 452!
I just realized I mixed up Douglas Weldon No. 451 and Douglas Horne No. 452.

Of course, both interviews are well worth your time if you are interested in such subjects.

:dunce:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:00 PM
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13. Sounds like an excellent resource.
Thank you for the heads-up,Icee2. This encyclopedic work will add to the case: President Kennedy was murdered by a powerful cabal.

PS: It's obvious the cover-up continues.


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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:01 PM
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14. Umm, Icee2 can't hear you, dude.....n/t
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