Uh-oh...

[SDuderstadt]

I thought the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd here claimed that DU as a whole agreed with them. I don't think that is remotely the case.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6720147

[Liberal_Dog]

1. Wow. A Poll With 59 Votes

As George Tenet would say, "Slam Dunk".

[SDuderstadt]

2. 88% of whom support the proposition that...

"If President Obama is able to do so, should he bring OBL and the leaders of Al Qaeda for the attacks on America that occurred on 9/11".

You seem to have left that part out.

[spooked911]

31. That doesn't rule out that they it was LIHOP by the Bush admin

Most people aren't that sophisticated about the nuances of 9/11.

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[SDuderstadt]

4. You did? n/t

[SDuderstadt]

5. Well. there are now 83 votes and....

89% of the respondents believe Obama should try to bring bin Laden to justice for 9/11. While it's clear there are limitations to any online poll in which the respondents self-select, I seem to recall "9/11 was an inside job" types crowing that any similar poll put in GD would show that DU overwhelmingly supports their view.

Well, I guess that myth has now been laid to rest, huh.

[whatchamacallit]

6. Just another example of how low your bar of proof is

when it fits your bias.

[SDuderstadt]

7. Dude...

did you notice this qualifier?

While it's clear there are limitations to any online poll in which the respondents self-select

Besides that, I recall when similar polls were posted in the 9/11 forum, "9/11 was an inside job" types crowed that, on the basis of whatever results were gotten, that it proved that DU, as a whole, supported the "inside job" theory and that the numbers would be even higher if the poll were allowed in GD.

I even posted a link here in GD, so that "inside job" types could weigh in on the poll and, DESPITE THAT, 89% of respondents believe that bin Laden should be brought to justice for 9/11.

How do you explain that, dude?

[whatchamacallit]

8. The sampling is skewed

because the question is directed at those who already share a mindset regarding 9/11. People who believe what I do, aren't likely to read or vote a poll that assumes OBL is the perp. A poll that asked "9/11: inside job or not?" would be a much better barometer. You should know this...

[SDuderstadt]

9. Oh, for Pete's sake....

The question can easily elicit a no answer because the respondent does not believe bin Laden was responsible. The question does not assume that Bin Laden is responsible nor, when someone answers no, does anyone assume they believe he is responsible, but should't be pursued.

Face it, dude. The "9/11 was an inside job' crowd is a very distinct minority within DU. Unless and until the 'truth community" develops some concrete evidence of an "inside job", the claims of 9/11 being an inside job remains an object of derision. Deal with it, dude.

[whatchamacallit]

10. The fact that you're attempting to deny the poll was not framed properly for your conclusion

proves your ego will always beat down your common sense. Enjoy your earthworm's view.

[SDuderstadt]

11. Dude...

I just fucking explained the limitations with the poll. If you want to go into your bathroom and work yourself up into a lather that Bush is getting away with an "inside job", no one is stopping you. But, if you're suggesting that even a bare majority of DU blames anyone other than bin laden for 9/11, you've got a very hard sell, dude. Think about why.

[wildbilln864]

12. why don't you....

make your own specific poll to corroborate your assumption? :hi:
I'll vote in it.

[SDuderstadt]

13. Because polls like that are...

quickly driven into the 9/11 forum by the sane people in GD. Any guesses why? Hint: I think most people in GD are embarrassed by the crazy "9/11 was an inside job" nonsense coming out of here.

[whatchamacallit]

15. Being that you spend most of your time down here in the loony bin

what does that say about *your* mental health?

[rollingrock]

16. lol

this thread is hilarious.

[SDuderstadt]

18. Thanks to you and...

whatchamacallit, dude.

You're trying to get us to believe that someone who believes that bin Laden was either a scapegoat or a patsy and that the Bush administration was behind an "inside job" wouldn't respond to the poll because of "the way it is worded". You know that's bullshit, right?

[SDuderstadt]

17. That would be like claiming the doctors and the medical staff...

at a state mental hospital must be crazy because "look where they hang out", dude.

[wildbilln864]

21. not even close!

they get paid to do what they do! :eyes:

[whatchamacallit]

22. Riiiiight...

:crazy:

[wildbilln864]

20. they'll get over it, and if not....

I already have!

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[Liberation Angel]

19. Bin Laden was complicit with Bush. Cheney, Rummy

So no contradiction in this poll.

I just wish Obama would have them all hauled in.

[MinM]

23. Do you have a link?

:shrug:

[SDuderstadt]

24. A link to what? n/t

[MinM]

25. To - the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd claiming DU was on their side...

Where was that claim made? :shrug:

[SDuderstadt]

26. Did you see the word "thought" in there?

It's my recollection and I don't believe it's wrong. And I'm not saying all truthers, however, I am saying that similar polls have appeared in the 9/11 forum and several have tried to generalize the results as representing all of DU and, in fact, suggesting that the numbers for an inside job would be even higher if the poll were allowed to be posted in GD. I have maintained from the beginning, that would not be the case, but I can't prove it dispositively. However, I think it's pretty clear given Berni McCoy's poll, the case can be made that at least a majority of DU blames OBL, which doesn't bode well for the "9/11 was an inside job" position.

[MinM]

27. This might be the applicable link...

Welcome to Strawman-Mart
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x271349#271358

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

28. You need to look up the definition of...

strawman too.

[SDuderstadt]

29. Here's the latest poll update...

with 88 responses, 89% believe Obama should bring bin Laden/al Qaeda to justice for 9/11.

Not looking too good for the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd, here.

[dbonds]

30. This is the equivalent of...

Polling on whether people think the sky is blue, then claiming an association with what they believe about global warming.

I would vote yes in that posted poll, because no matter what happened on 9/11 OSB was part of the conspiracy (official or alternate). If he is still alive, then we need to try him and see what his level of guilt is and maybe get more of the story from him.