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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 08:37 PM Original message |
Do you have a paper debunking Hoffman's energy requirements paper? |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. I see you're digging through the archives of 9/11 woo, |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Nice timing. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
66. This was post #1. After days and dozens of post, nothing has yet appeared in this thread. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I believe you have been given adequate substantive rebuttal... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Please see #75. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Bullshit. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. As I say in #75, I will take your points and consider that your best response. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Why is it necessary to have a paper "debunking" this? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. maybe you could link to one that you "like" |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. A good thread to check... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. OK, sorry, I was a moment late and posted first. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. No sweat. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. OK, I read through the thread and didn't see much. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Hoffman's number for energy consumption... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
79. I understand. You think 60 microns is too large. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
129. No, it's clear you don't understand. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. Boy, you nailed me! Again! |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. "Nailing" you wasn't the purpose. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I tried the search you suggest... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I don't think anyone's bothered to formalize their criticisms. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. He at least claimed that his errors were factored in in such a way that his results |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. He is incorrect. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. So for you, this discussion can only end in... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Look - this isn't my first time on the dance floor. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Well are you just here to beat people up then? |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. That's a strange conclusion to draw. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Oy! n/t |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Hah! I wondered how long it would take you to respond. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. So far the only criticism I have seen of Hoffman is the 60 micron particle size estimate. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Then it appears you missed... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I saw it. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I won't be holding my breath. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Why are you being rude? |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Perception is everything. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. You said "I won't hold my breath". |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. No, I didn't. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. PMJI |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. OK... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #59 |
72. of course I see your frustration |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. I am open to suggestions beyond that. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Could you say that 2 more times real quick? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You want me to answer off the cuff? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. No, but I'd like to see your deeds match your words at some point. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Seriously, I am finished with you. |
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lovepg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
114. Fill in the blank (It seems like some peoples --- to say the things they do). nt |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
74. Then why did you lie about only having seen 1 criticism? n/t |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. seriously, there is seeing and then there is seeing |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Fair enough. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. You have jumped to the conclusion that I am deliberately lying now? |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. I retract that statement. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I am actually busy replying and keeping up. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Right after you wrote that... |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. No that statement I stand by. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. OK, but it doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to give me SOME range |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. This error in the begining all you need to know to dismiss the whole paper |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. You are objecting that it should be a few microns larger and that would still allow enough mass... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Let's get back to basics. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Here. I would like you to take a look at this link. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. The person who made that web page... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. That is not a valid criticism. nt |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Then why don't you show it to some of those technically minded friends of yours? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. That is precisely what he finds odd. It is being ejected. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Hmmm. No, it isn't. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. It's valid if it's true, and you're totally ignoring his recommendation |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I don't think he has the ability to differentiate... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Not substantial, but you did manage to sneak in another "I don't think he is smart enough" |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #38 |
62. I would need more than an anonymous person saying "that site is crap." |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
130. Then your friend isn't technically savvy at all. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. I won't honor that waste of a time statement with a reply either. nt |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. Fine. Depend on someone who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. I never imagined or hoped that you cared. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Whatever you do, don't give it to your friend. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. OK, thanks! |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. Let me ask a question |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Of course I do. I think it is possible. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Ok, so the fact the this is completely ignored in the |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #50 |
60. What video did I post? This OP is about asking for rebuttal of Hoffman. nt |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Um... this is all stills from a video |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. OK, so let me try to understand the point Lared is making... |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. "...that I STILL haven't gotten a decent response to..." |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Let's meet at post #66. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. here goes nothing... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Thanks for the reply. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. let's see here. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. It seems from your reply that the best that you and everyone else has as a rebuttal is: |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Sure. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
132. Wow, this is really getting deep fast. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. YOU are the only person that offered anything at all. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. In all honesty, I don't care if Hoffman responds. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. OK, great. I guess we're done. Thanks for everything. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Oh, for fuck's sake - take your drama queen bullshit somewhere else. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #143 |
150. OK thanks for everything! nt |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Here's the problem |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. Again, "you are too dumb". |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. "What is your number for the average particle size?" |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I would have replied but then I got to #3 and decided why bother. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. You have previously admited... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Look, why don't you supply a number then? |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. please refer back up thread to where... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. First of all, it is NOT 10 times the available PE |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. From the conclusion of Hoffmans paper. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
102. My answer to average particle size. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #102 |
112. Well. If it isn't linear, than the only approach you would accept would be a range then, yes? |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Not a range. A distribution. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
43. all the crush up did |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:37 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. So are you saying the 'crush up' |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Pancaking of the floors |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. OK, thanks. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Lets try to stay on subject |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Which assumption do you mean? nt |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. This one |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. What's wrong with the numbers? |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #58 |
70. I have gotten out of the habit of spoon feeding but here goes |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. Thanks for the spoon-feeding, but... |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. No you're wrong |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #99 |
119. Again, I invite you to offer a distribution of sizes to calculate from. nt |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Do your own homework |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. I will take post #75 where I summarized the rebuttals to be all there is to say then. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
40. An interesting feature of your link. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. I think that I could get an answer directly from Jim if you can offer some strong |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Seriously, do you not understand what others have said? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I am sorry that you don't want to try that. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
90. Has Hoffman ever calculated the amount of explosives needed to provide the energy |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. It is not germane to his paper. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #91 |
103. The fuck it isn't. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. Can you take a chill pill and explain? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. I've had it with your act. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. You are welcome to say whatever you want. Be done with my act all you want. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. That post is nothing but the "scold" part of your act. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Buh-bye. I have no act and no desire to talk to you. nt |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. That was an unhinged post. Truly paranoid raving. nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. LOL, you keep dreaming n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. You have really disappointed. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Scold, scold, scold. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #127 |
149. yikes, c'mon, think about it |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. It's fine. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. "I don't think Hoffman postulates a humongous energy deficit." |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. So you are saying he postulates too much energy is needed for the dust cloud. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Are you telling me you do not understand the conclusion of his paper? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. Not at all! But, in his paper, even if I threw out the dust cloud completely... |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. No. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. I understand that such data is not available as well. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #168 |
173. Well lets see. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. OK, but... |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. I disagree. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. That is a really good point. nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. That is his argument against gravity being able to do it. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #157 |
163. Thank you. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. Here is your error. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #164 |
170. Thank you, Bonobo. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. No, I have nothing to add. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. I disagree that it took heat energy to expand THAT cloud of dust. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. Seems a lot of his assumptions are unwarranted. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. I would love it if you wouldn't mind elaborating. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. AZCat gave you a starter list |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Thank you. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. I sure understood that! |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #151 |
176. well, I think the thread is sort of a train wreck |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. After this train thread of a wreck, I am not sure I disagree with what you said. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #177 |
184. I guess part of what I am trying to explain |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:29 PM Original message |
Very very well written OTOH |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
179. I totally agree. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
180. *blush* n/t |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I did. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Yes that is true. And Hoffman does in fact say this: |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. 14 tons of explosives!!!!!!!!????? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Your point is unclear. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Only to people without ears and people without the desire to hear. n/t |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. Bonobo... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Understood. I will go with #75 as being the total rebuttals. nt |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
165. BTW this is what the deficit Hoffman 'calculates' would look like. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. It seems misleading to claim that Hoffman postulates explosives at all. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Not quite. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. I understand. Thank you for that reply. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. I certainly hope you do not stop having a skeptical POV. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Believe it or not, it is what I am trying to do. |
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tenseconds (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #169 |
185. "out of the ballpark" |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #185 |
191. It doesn't look like you are even trying to follow along. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
107. Amazing |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #107 |
122. Misplaced attack on me (again). |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #107 |
131. Really, LARED? It should be obvious... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. Well tell me! I am dying to know what's cooking in that noodle of yours! nt |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Whatever. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #139 |
144. Same here. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. I'm sorry we couldn't spoon-feed you all the information you required. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Nice french! nt |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
182. Thank you everyone for a very informative thread. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #182 |
186. please explain what you have learned exactly |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #186 |
187. Well... |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Your thought experiment is reasonable except for one thing |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #188 |
189. OK, I see... |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. anything salvageable? |
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