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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 03:37 PM
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Zaid Jarrah - The unlikely jihadist
The unlikely jihadist

The 9-11 Commission found that Jarrah was an odd fit for al-Qaida. The Beirut-born student was Westernized, and almost backed out of the plot at the last minute. “Jarrah clearly differed from the other hijackers in that he maintained much closer contact with his family and continued his intimate relationship with” his German girlfriend, the 9-11 Commission wrote. “These ties may well have caused him to harbor some doubts about going through with the plot, even as late as the summer of 2001.”

The videotape was shot in Afghanistan in late 1999 or January 2000, when investigators know that Jarrah and other members of the Hamburg cell traveled to Osama Bin Laden’s camps in Afghanistan for training and plot instructions. The unedited tape is meant to be Jarrah’s “martyrdom” video, in which he explains why he’s committed a terrorist act and killed himself and others.

But Jarrah frequently stumbles through his own martyrdom tape, and often can't maintain a serious tone. His al-Qaida handlers coach him, off-screen, to be more dramatic.

"This speech requires passions and enthusiasm," one of them scolds Jarrah off camera. “Start again!" the man scolds a bit later.

"Why didn’t you try a different approach? I mean another style," a second man chimes in. “Something for the Muslim youths…”

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/24/1688166.aspx

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 05:05 PM
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1. thanks Ghost. nt
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 05:26 PM
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2. which one ?

Weren't there a couple of them?
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 05:51 PM
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3. What is this supposed to prove?
I'm sure several of them had doubts. Killing yourself and murdering other people is never done easily (unless you're a total sociopath).
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 08:48 PM
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13. doubts are different from not taking it seriously and joking
wouldn't you say?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 06:26 PM
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4. Is this the only case in which you believe the 9-11 Commission? nt
Edited on Fri Jul-10-09 06:27 PM by greyl
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:16 AM
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:18 AM
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6. disturbing
but not for the reasons you posted this.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:26 AM
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7. Just what were the reasons I posted this, vincent?
Are you claiming to be a psychic mind reader now?

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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:15 AM
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8. Nope but I have a memory and the ability to make
assumptions based on previous experience.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 08:43 PM
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 05:21 AM
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10. Ghost, what is the significance of this
Edited on Sat Feb-12-11 05:22 AM by LARED
information?
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 03:48 PM
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12. I'm not quite sure, Lared, but it appears to show that he wasn't all that serious about such a
serious undertaking. It's almost as if he was reading a script and couldn't keep a straight face, nor could he sound serious.

Here's the video report on it, as the link in the OP seems to have expired..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQziDmMk88c

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 10:05 PM
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14. He was recorded by the cockpit voice recorder of Flight 93 as well.
Despite any lack of seriousness about his suicide video, he managed to go through with the attack.

His remains were also identified by DNA as being at the Pennsylvania crash site.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 11:58 AM
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15. Which one was he on the CVR?
Was he the one speaking english all the time, and who made the announcement as the Captain? I read the transcript of the CVR and found it pretty mundane and uninformative.

I wonder who it was who was saying "I don't want to die, I don't want to die" at 09:35:40 and 09:35:42. I also wonder who said "I'm injured" at 10:00:15?

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 11:23 PM
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16. The one saying "up, down, up, down" as he shook the plane to fend off passengers.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 06:43 PM
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17. This jolly gent just shot a US Representative
Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 06:45 PM by jberryhill


Last time I saw a bald dude that happy, I was cleaning the tub.

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mrarundale Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 01:43 AM
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18. He looks different in the photos
Edited on Sat Feb-19-11 01:46 AM by mrarundale
The third one looks kind of like Robert Downey Jr.:

Say, how come that piece of passport survived the flight 93 wreckage, when no identifiable body parts did?

Two places at once:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/09/18/inv.terror.jarrah/
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 08:14 AM
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19. They all look like the same person to me
You look the exact same in every photo? Thats a neat trick, different cameras, lighting and different times make me look a lot different in various photo's.

"Say, how come that piece of passport survived the flight 93 wreckage, when no identifiable body parts did?"

Trithers love their cherry picked quotes, mm good, just like home cooking. Do they ever look beyond the cherry picked quote? Nope, not really, it destroys the fantasy.

"Two places at once:"

I don't see anything in that article about him being in two places at once.
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